How do you play aces in first position? - Page 2

bonchkid · #11 (**permalink**) 12-07-2004, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack King off

i understand people limp with AA utg. i dont like it, but its not that bad. what i dont understand is why people limp/raise with it.

1st of all you should only be limping when you know it will get raised and when you limp/raise its a dead give away what hand you got.

What if besides for limp-raising with AA UTG i'll also do it with say

and

specifically. Now there's 6 ways I can get AA so lets say anytime I have the

I will raise normally. Now there are 3 combinations of AA I can have.

I can also have

or

So there is a 3/5 chance I have AA. If you treat it like my hand is always AA when I limp/raise you I will break you when I flop a straight and you think your 2 pair is good or something along those lines.
This example is sorta drawn-out but what I'm trying to say is, any good player will mix up his game enough that you will not be able to simply say "If he does this, I'll know he has had XX"

bonchkid · #12 (**permalink**) 12-07-2004, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack King off

so what im saying is if you are going to limp, dont fucking raise it. just call his pf bet and now he has NO IDEA! what hand you have AND! you got a good amount of money in pf. depending on the flop i would probably check/call and probably check/raise the turn. you could also c/r the flop and you would still get more out of him(the amount he bets on the flop will be more than the min raise he has to call). i dont see why you would want to win it on the flop though so probably c/ring the turn would be best. i wouldnt wait til the river because you may have trapped yourself and its tough to fold if you get raised and c/ring the river is retarded because he probably checks behind

unless someone can explain why limp/raising is better than calling i dont see why people do it. doesnt make any sense to me

Because with AA you want as much money in preflop when you're equity is highest? If you limp/call you are ONLY playing your AA for set value as an overpair isnt likely to win a 6 handed pot. If you dont understand this concept there isn't much we can explain to you.

Naruto · #13 (**permalink**) 12-07-2004, 12:42 PM

I never thought I'd say this but...

I agree with bonch. Get the money in PF because you're gonna be out of position for the rest of the hand.

Cheers,

Mike

PS. I think too many people nowanddays smell the limp UTG or UTG+1, and often your limping will cause a chain reaction and EVERYONE will limp behind you.

Naruto · #14 (**permalink**) 12-07-2004, 12:46 PM

I have noticed instead some players with AA/KK will only raise 3x or min raise with aces, andhope some aggressive player will interpret this as KQ or TT. Then when they reraise the AA/KK guy will pop em with a big rereraise

.

I kinda like the 3x on a crazy table. I have done it before with success. I 3x from MP. CO min raises me. I call. check to him. He bets pot, I reraise min (putting him all in cause he's a stupid short stack) and he calls with JJ. So sometimes limp calling can work out, just make sure the guy doesn't have a large enough stack to really #### you up.

Cheers,

Mike

Beavis68 · #15 (**permalink**) 12-07-2004, 12:57 PM

I agree about putting the money in PF, you have to really know your opponents to play AA post-flop.

Yeah AA is theoritically 33% against a full table pre-flop. But if you are not getting your money in PF, you risk gettnig most of you money is as big dog.

What do you do on a flop on a flop of

and there is a bunch of action - what are you up against? A9 JJ and KTc? or A9c 77 and 68?

Limp reraising with AA is something I only use.

1. UTG
a. early in a tournamet
b. in a loose NL game
c. late in a tournament if I am willing to take a risk to bust someone.

Last time I did that flop was 854, one guy had 88 one had 44 and one had QQ and the river was a Q. Oh yeah, and no one raised PF.

Jack King off · #16 (**permalink**) 12-07-2004, 06:33 PM

????????????

the raiser is representing a big hand. the raiser is building the pot before the flop. the raiser is isolating and getting rid of the bad hands.

if theres 3 or so limpers to the guy in lp hes not going to just raise it 3x. hes going to make a big raise that will narrow the field and hes not going to put you on AA. he will probably put you on like AJ or something.

i dno if people didnt understand what i was talking about or not but obviously if the lp guy makes a small raise then you have to raise it. thats common sense.

i dont understand why you guy want to win the pot with AA before the flop thats retarded.

Jack King off · #17 (**permalink**) 12-07-2004, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bonchkid

Because with AA you want as much money in preflop when you're equity is highest? If you limp/call you are ONLY playing your AA for set value as an overpair isnt likely to win a 6 handed pot. If you dont understand this concept there isn't much we can explain to you.

why would you be playimng AA only for set value??????? has AA gone down in value because you limp/called with it?

Bosox1 · #18 (**permalink**) 12-07-2004, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack King off

i dont understand why you guy want to win the pot with AA before the flop thats retarded.

You don't WANT to win it preflop but its much better than losing all your chips when you get outdrawn. The goal is to get as much money in the pot preflop because you have the nuts. Any time you have the nuts you want to get as much money in the pot at that time as possible.

I think how to play AA depends more on your table than most other hands do. There is a time to limp, call, raise, re-raise, move all in and yes even FOLD AA PREFLOP. Just depends on the situation. Just like Bonch said, you should limp raise with other hands too so no one can always peg you with AA every time you do it.

I sometimes limp/raise but usually I raise my standard raise for the game and I ALWAYS re-raise with big hands unless I have AK or QQ and there is a raise, a re-raise and an all in over the top in front of me.

Bosox1 · #19 (**permalink**) 12-07-2004, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanieJ

In My book not raising AA preflop is a Sin. Bad enough to send you straight to hell.

I agree with Bonch again that it would be appreciated to not see these annalogies.

Naruto · #20 (**permalink**) 12-07-2004, 07:18 PM

Hey,

In a NL game where stacks are generally >50bb and often much larger, it's generally good to get as much money in as possible.

Often when you limp call you can get in a world of pain. Like if you limp, he raises with TT and flop is T high you could seriously get crushed here. So it's better to limp raise and get money in, for those situations where the T hits he wouldn't've had odds to chase the set. On the flip side if you limp and he raises with TT and you just call, if the flop is like KQx you will not be getting much if any more money from him.

So this's probably the biggest reason why you'd want to limp reraise instead of limp call.

On top of it, there's the issue of being out of position for the rest of the hand, which makes your hand even more vulnerable...

Cheers,

Mike