I never really tried tourney with rebuys because i dont know how to deal with them
What is particular with those tourney ?
Is it better to play more hands/ more aggresively before the end of rebuys
or
Is it better to play tighter to trap those who risk their stack considering they can rebuy ?
or
Just play it like you play other tourney ?
or
Something else ?
Thanks for your "constructive" comments.
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Thread: Rebuy tourneys
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03-30-2006 #1
Rebuy tourneys
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03-31-2006 #2
The answer is yes.
You need to adapt your style to their styles. PLay a little tighter than the rest of the table, be ready to get all your money in with good hands. If you ever say "I made this great laydown during the rebuy period" Give up and go sell Avon. You just gotta pick a spot to pick off each player. Know who's doing what and adapt. You get these nutcases pujshing with substandard hands, and then you get the rocks who really tighten up. Just make sure who know whos who.Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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03-31-2006 #3
I don't entirely agree with Marm there.
I say play it like any other tourney, if you wouldn't normally push all your chips in at a given situation then why put them in just because its a rebuy.
Remember the more times you rebuy the further into the prizes you need to get just to break even.
I play them with no more than 3 x the entrance fee : i.e.
Outlay 1. Buy In
Outlay 2. Rebuy
Outlay 3. Add on
This way if you get to the prizes you capitalise on the people who buy in numerous times.
One of the rebuys I won I had no rebuy and no add on and this is my target every time I play one.
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03-31-2006 #4
rebuy at the start so you have 2x the chips,
push and re-raise with racing hands and hope you double.
once you have reached a nice stack like original1500+rebuy1500+1,000pot, now you should settle down, and play normal. then add on.
you should have an average stack after the add on.
now just play regular. its not too crazy. i got 2 spots off the final table yesterday following this strat. paid like shit though, waste of 3 hours.
also, in the beginning, if you bust, rebuy.I get more ass than a toilet seat. All shapes/colors/sizes.

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03-31-2006 #5
If I'm going to rebuy I always do it at the end of the period ...
This way you have given yourself every chance to accumulate chips without it.
You could rebuy early as stated in the previous post and then hit some mammoth hands and just waste your rebuy fee.
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03-31-2006 #6
Not rebuying at any point is -EV. You should rebuy immediately upon starting, and at any time you fall below the minimum allowed. Other players at your table will be doing the same, and when you hit some mammoth hand, with only 1k in chips, vs a guy with 2k in chips, you are now forced to double up again (which is the whole point of MTT's, to get your 10-15 double ups). Look at any NL cash game, who's the happiest at the table? The biggest stack. Same goes for a regular MTT. You need chips to make chips.
Money in MTT's comes from making a top 10 finish, not from just surviving. You need a large stack to do this. You can't get a large stack, on a regular basis, from making great laydowns, or playing the same starting hands as in the post-rebuy period. You CANNOT play it just like another tourney, the other players have made Significant changes to their game, you need to likewise adjust. You can see a lot more flops cheaply (if possible), you will therefore flop more good hands, and get more from them. Because its the rebuy period, others are very willing to gamble just because its the rebuy period, exploit that. Your big hands PF will get more calls from others with big raises. Your Good post-flop hands will get the same. Be greedy and make exploitive value bets here. So what if you lose a few people the first time, the next time they'll be more curious and you'll get more money.
Limiting your number of buy-ins is also -EV. Either come to play fully or go home. Theres no reason to set stop losses. Yes, I set a 5x budget for bankroll purposes. I expect to pay a total of 5 buy-ins for a tourny, But I have paid 12-15 on a couple of occasions. Neagreanu paid 29 buy-ins in a WSOP NLHE event a few years ago, he won the thing, but that's Danny for you. "What you plan and what takes place ain't ever been similar" - Jane.Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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03-31-2006 #7
I cant agree with the last post that just because it is a rebuy you play worse to win more.
Give me 1,000 in chips vs a player who can't play with 2,000 chips and i fancy my chances every time.
Your statement is expecting everyone who can play to rebuy ... surely the people who are rebuying more often than not are not playing well ... so if you can take their chips once by playing well why not take them again for each of their rebuys.
What you are trying to say is that just because you can buy in many times you are more likely to win ... thats rubbish.
Your rebuy will never take you to more than twice the amount of your starting chips ...
This means that the other players have taken your starting chips and added them to their stacks ... as the comp goes on you get further behind as every rebuy gets added to the opponents stacks .. if you are making all ins all over the place then these chips are sitting with relatively few players.
Where is this positive.
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03-31-2006 #8
*yawn* To think that to alter your gameplay is to play worse is, well, just stupid.
Originally Posted by G_The_Jester
And you are turning my statements into broad generalizations. Try reading my posts before commenting. I said you need to react to EACH PLAYERS' different style of play. How is that playing worse?
And about rebuying and what not. Do some EV math, or you can let Sklansky or Suzuziki do it for you, they both covered it in their Tournament books (NOT in HoH). Yes there are some scenarios, and I can think of a few, that the need to rebuy is not as great as others. But in your standard Online Rebuy tournament, The amount of chips in play quickly neccesitates the need to rebuy.
MTT longterm ROI comes from the rare big cash, not the frequent refunding ITM's. To cash big you need to double up a dozen times or so, so passing on any chance to do so (buy either buying a stack or having bought a stack to doulble up with) is just plain stupid.
And the add-on at the end, We have had discussions before on this, and to sum it up, they math we did showed unless you have like 95% (some insanely high number) of the chips in play, Adding-On is +EV.Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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03-31-2006 #9Fish
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I skipped alot of this cause it's too verbose for my liking. All i have to say is I don't do the whole rebuy straight away. In all the tourneys(all two hehe) i've placed within the top 5 i have no rebought once, and i have no added-on once. I figure i'll only rebuy if i get really sucked out on. but if i lose because of my own fuckup, that tourney just isn't my day.
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03-31-2006 #10
Again i still disagree ...
The behaviour your advocating about reading the table .... then we all do that in every tournament ... rebuy or not.
Your need to rebuy depends on your ability vs the opponents ability ... not on a non educated need to rebuy.
If a rebuy is such a possitive play then you should be playing your first hand to lose small so that you can rebuy and have a bigger stack than your starting chips. In your argument taking 120 chips on the first hand is a -ve EV play.
Lets say that the starting chips are 1500 and you get your stack to 2700 ... do you suggest you play closer to the edge and more readily lose 1201 chips to enable your rebuy to take you further than your current chips?
As so far as your winning strategy ... about buying a stack .... on a rebuy how much do you expect to buy?... if you could buy yourself into chip leader position I agree, however you never do.
If it was a heads up situation and you give your stack to the opposition but are able to rebuy are you not in a poor position?
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