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    Default Overly aggressive?

    Villian is a borderline SLAA-LAA player I was figuring from the PF action something like a big ace or a big pocket pair. Should I have slowed down at any point here?

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    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
    UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 3-bets, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, Hero caps, MP2 calls, Button calls, UTG calls.

    Flop: (17.50 SB) , , (4 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, Button folds, UTG calls $1 (All-In), Hero 3-bets, MP2 caps, Hero calls.

    Turn: (13.75 BB) (3 players, 1 all-in)
    Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls.

    River: (19.75 BB) (3 players, 1 all-in)
    Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 caps, Hero calls.

    Final Pot: 27.75 BB

    Results in white below:
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    Hero has Ac Ad (two pair, aces and fours).
    MP2 has 7s 7c (full house, sevens full of fours).
    Outcome: MP2 wins 27.75 BB.
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    Hmmmmm, Id probably start worrying after he capped the turn and probably just call on the river, but I rarely play limit so Im probably wrong.

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    He didn't cap the turn he only called when I 3 bet him, which made me think along the lines of AK-AT or JJ-KK.
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    i probably would have played this the same, except i wouldnt have 3-bet the river. Would have just bet-called.

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    Me Likey!

    With AA and a LAA... theres no stopping the raises for you. I would only be fearing 99 here, and that is so remote a chance, that capping each street is definately +EV.

    All but the nutiest LAA's don't 3 bet with 33, and I would doubt 77.

    Now that I looked..... Hmmm that sucks, but I thinkyou played it well. BUt it depends on how Aggy he was. If we was known to see rivers and try top buy pots iwht just overs then yeah, this is well played. If he was a little more timid... I would probably leave it at 2-3 bets each street. But you played this right.
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    I think you have to just call on the river here. It's hard for me to imagine many hands that you beat the will give this action, even given the player you describe [and i think the abbreviating of players has gotten out of hands, really. I mean - "borderline SLAA-LAA" - isn't that a bit excessive jargon-wise?].

    You've made it clear to opponent that you have a huge hand at every step - even the dumbest of opponents can recognize a rock springing to life. The fact that he slowed down on the turn and the jumped back on the river should be telling as well ...

    On a side note, this thought:
    "He didn't cap the turn he only called when I 3 bet him, which made me think along the lines of AK-AT or JJ-KK."

    Is odd. That's not a range of hands so much as a different way of saying "he could have anything."

    Ok, now I'll take a peek at results:

    Yup, that seems about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PartTimePoker
    I think you have to just call on the river here. It's hard for me to imagine many hands that you beat the will give this action, even given the player you describe [and i think the abbreviating of players has gotten out of hands, really. I mean - "borderline SLAA-LAA" - isn't that a bit excessive jargon-wise?].
    Thats how PT defined the player... hes just calling a spade a spade.....
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    ^ Like Marm said the autorate rules actually moved him from a SLAA to a LAA a few hands later.

    Quote Originally Posted by PartTimePoker
    The fact that he slowed down on the turn and the jumped back on the river should be telling as well ...
    How would that constitute him having a very strong hand? I've had quite a few instances where people will be very aggressiveon the flop and slow down to a 3 bet on the turn. Granted I agree I shouldn't have gone as crazy on the river, but how does his turn action tell a big hand?
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    I think everyone is being seriously results orientated. Thats why I recommend not posting the results when you are looking for advice.

    Your opponent could easily have an over-pair and played it the same way, KK, QQ, JJ or TT he also may have A9. It makes more sense that he would have an over-pair since he 3 bet PF and went crazy on the flop, the only hand I am really worried about is 99. If he 3 bets and caps with small pairs then so be it.

    I may have just called his turn raise, but again if you trusted your read, 3 betting is good as is 3 betting the river.

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