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no more rebuy
I have 4900 MP
UTG+1 is a weird maniac with 11 000 in front of him... I doubled up on him earlier with KK VS J7o All in PF... he took my last 5K just before the break with a flush on the river...
CO is semi-loose passive but not a coplete idiot with 7000... well he's not entirely passive, but his bet are always way under what they should be.
Ihave 88
UTG+1 call
I raise it 1000
CO call
blinds fold
UTG call
Pot is 3450
FLOP
J 9 2 rainbow
UTG+1 bet 300!!!! ¸only thing I know I have 12.5:1 for my $$$ and I have to call
So I do
CO minimum raise!!! WTF with them!!!!
UTG+1 call I have 15.5:1 and I know CO have the J... 85% sure
I call
Turn
7
Good the pot is huge and I picked up 4 more outs... I plan to check raise CO all in knowing he dont particulary like his hand and can lay it down (lets say 15%). If not it cost me 3300 to potentialy win at least 11 400 and i have 7 outs... + I may be in front of AK or a lower PP (lets say 10%).
UTG+1 checks
I check
CO checks!!!!! Oh... he may not have that J, or he have a draw with it... like JT or picked up a FD with a pair...
River
7
UTG+1 checks
Well... only way I can win is probably go all in...
With all the info, what do you do????
+ feel free the critic PF flop and turn play... I'm really not sure about that hand... I fanct I really hate the way i played it!
KJ
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Thread: 88 MP
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03-26-2006 #1Stu Ungar
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88 MP
Originally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!
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03-26-2006 #2Poker Hustler
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first of all, you need to stop labeling people maniacs and idiots during the rebuy period. the play is totally different during and after the rebuy period. just because someone likes to gamble with j7 in the first hour, doesnt mean they will play bad the second hour.
onto the hand, i would just limp pf. just limp and try and hit a set. makes the hand so much easier to play. lose 300 if an 8 doesnt hit and win 10k when it does lol. i have no idea how to help you with the way you played it because i wouldnt be in that position myself. in the future, dont raise 88 over a limper with 15x. no set no betit's better to be pissed off than pissed on
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03-26-2006 #3Stu Ungar
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BTW J7 was after the break... I totaly understand somebody can be willing to gamble a FD on the flop pre break, but J7 after the break is pointless even if you have 13K VS a 3K stack.
Originally Posted by Jack King off
Belive me he was a maniac! VPIP 28 out of 31 hand.... 12 of those hands I saw him were post break. The 3 time he did'nt put $$ in the pot were probably when a big raise and a call in front of him!
But... I definately agree with you, I played that hand poorly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KJOriginally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!
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03-27-2006 #4Poker Professional
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you have 16 BB's when ur dealt this hand.. with that type of stack, its either fold pf or all in.
i would have went all in pf.
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03-27-2006 #5Poker Hustler
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16 bb is too much to push or fold. whats wrong with limping for a set?
it's better to be pissed off than pissed on
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03-27-2006 #6Poker Professional
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well if u limp, and the pot gets raised, the raise would be about 25% of ur entire stack.. if decide to call that raise, then ur pot commited going to the flop.
Lets say u limp, someone raises to 1200, u call.. theres gonna be like 2850 in the pot including blinds. and u will have a remaining stack of 3700.. not much to work with there..
at this point if u raise, and u get called.. same situation.. ur pot committed going to the flop (also pocket 8s are easily outplayed especially if u are OOP going to the flop).. so why not just push it all in pf, maxmize that fold equity and see all 5 cards if ur called.
and at this point in the tourney, i dont see how u can open limp when just limping will cost u 6% of ur stack. blinds are way to huge to be limping for sets imo, and ur stack size is way too low. also implied odds arent really there since ur stack size is so small. also if u limped and u get to see the flop, what are the chances u will stack someone 100% if u did flop a set? keeping in mind that its an unraised pot pf.
at this point, id be happy by moving all in and just picking up the blinds, as they will increase ur stack by almost 10%Last edited by Eclipse86; 03-27-2006 at 08:09 AM.
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I can see a case for pushing preflop, I'm probably limping though.
The preflop raise is asking for trouble as I'm not clear what flop you are asking for.
Calling the flop min bet is justified by the odds though you have scope to reraise if you think he has nothing (and importantly is capable of folding) to a continuation bet from you based on your pf raise, though it would seem this guy isn't worth semibluffing particularly with a guy yet to act behind.
Once the CO minreraises I'm folding, one of them has a jack or certainly better than 88 and maniacs and fools often min bet and minreraise the nuts.
I don't understand planning to check raise allin on the turn get the hell out of dodge you are beaten, and if you're not it's a long term losing play against at least one player who doesn't sound capable of making a lay down.
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03-27-2006 #8Poker Hustler
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Given what you've said about UTG+1 (he's a manaic loose player), I'm all in here praying for a call from just him. If not, you've picked up 750 in chips.
If there was no maniac, then I'm just limping to hit a set here.
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03-27-2006 #9Stu Ungar
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Well...
Definately i should have limp or go all in!
I wanted to isolate maniac with that raise, but I think I also wanted to take fewer risk possible. Big deal... wanted to do 2 things at the same time... and I missed both...
Then I wanted to check fold, cause I could'nt put any of them on a particular hand, but they gave me incridible odds to call...
Before I could think of any intelligent way to react in this situation, 5000 was in the pot, and only 3K in front of me, and I had very few info about their hands!!!!!
What a mess...
I pushed the river... CO took almost all his time bank, and calles with KJs...
KJs!!!! Adding the insult to injury!!! My fav hand!!!!
KJOriginally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!
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03-27-2006 #10Mike McDermott
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1st part of 1st sentance= no Originally Posted by Irexes
you dont need to push here. you are risking too many chips for blinds that you dont need(yet). with about 1500/2500 in front of you, talk about pushing in that spot with with 88. but then we need to look at the call ranges of the players, your table image, etc. whole nother ball game.
otherwise though, irexes (as usual) is right. this is back just to basic sng strategy, as from what i can see you have a pair of 8's. you arent in horrible position, but you probably wont be last to act. your chances of picking up the blinds arent as good as they could be (a maniac plays most of his pf hands, by definition) so you chances of stealing this pot in general are pretty poor. so once you get called, you are looking for an 8 on the flop. why not limp? this way you have invested much less into the pot when you miss, (so you can fold this minibet on the flop) but win about the same size of pot when you nail an 8 (were assuming a maniac player will pay you off most of the time)
on the button you could raise and try to snag the blinds, and have a potential set/pot steal on the flop, but you werent on the button. im thinking fold this hand unless your stack is dwindleing, then its probably a clear push.
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