.2/.4 begginer tables on PP

aa88dmhaa88 has already made this same play against me more then once where I've had to fold. This is the only hand I've played back against thier reraise.

***** Hand History for Game 3817999054 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Sat Mar 25 12:15:02 EST 2006
Table Beginners March GiveAway 1210139 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: lippy122 ( $7.12)
Seat 2: Badger70 ( $8.57)
Seat 3: Al_money22 ( $4.85)
Seat 4: PACKAGE07 ( $2.87)
Seat 5: laureil ( $6.58)
Seat 6: aa88dmhaa88 ( $7.01)
Seat 7: flan76 ( $4.65)
Seat 8: munsel1982 ( $7.28)
Seat 9: MikeF1889 ( $7.48)
Seat 10: spawntan ( $1.76)
aa88dmhaa88 posts small blind (0.02)
flan76 posts big blind (0.04)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MikeF1889 [ , ]
munsel1982 calls (0.04)
MikeF1889 raises (0.18) to 0.18
spawntan folds.
lippy122 folds.
Badger70 folds.
Al_money22 folds.
PACKAGE07 folds.
laureil folds.
aa88dmhaa88 calls (0.16)
flan76 folds.
munsel1982 folds.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ , , ]
aa88dmhaa88 checks.
MikeF1889 bets (0.35)
aa88dmhaa88 raises (0.70) to 0.70
MikeF1889 raises (1.65) to 2
aa88dmhaa88 raises (6.13) to 6.83
aa88dmhaa88 is all-In.
MikeF1889 calls (4.83)

** Dealing Turn ** : [ ]

** Dealing River ** : [ ]

Main Pot: $13.40 | | Rake: $0.70 | Jackpot Contribution: $0
Board: [ ]

Results:

aa88dmhaa88 balance $13.40, net +$6.39 [ 8d 8c ]
MikeF1889 balance $0.47, lost $7.01 [ Qs Qd ]

This table wasn't loose enough to bet that much more and still get action on the hand. I don't see how my bet was too small when there was only one caller. The PF raise did it's job at limiting the players in the hand.

At this level im getting all in on this flop every time, maybe at higher levels of play i would think a set. But i think the amount of time these guys will go in with TPTK can make this play +EV. The pf raise is fine.

That reraise screams set. Think about it from his perspective here. He's hit his set, you bet to follow up your PF raise, he min raises you, you reraise right back, and then he realizes he's hooked you and goes all in. Watch out for that min raise, followed by an all in reraise of your raise.

You need to raise PF about 1/6th of your chipstack to eliminate the threat of someone hitting a set on you (they need to get 7.5:1 odds on their money - implied plus direct - to be drawing the set profitably).

So you're suggesting he raises to $1.18 or 29.5bb with 1 limper?

Originally Posted by Jason75

That reraise screams set. Think about it from his perspective here. He's hit his set, you bet to follow up your PF raise, he min raises you, you reraise right back, and then he realizes he's hooked you and goes all in. Watch out for that min raise, followed by an all in reraise of your raise.

You need to raise PF about 1/6th of your chipstack to eliminate the threat of someone hitting a set on you (they need to get 7.5:1 odds on their money - implied plus direct - to be drawing the set profitably).

you would honestly give somone at .2 .4 tables credit for the best hand in this spot and fold? obviously he likes his hand, but considerng the level of players in this game, the make the same play with A8, 99, TT, JJ.
they would probably re raise pf with kk or aa, (most noobs would just push regardless of their stack)
hell some people would play any pair of 8's that way.

at higher limits you are against KK or better with those raises, (and probably re raised pf anyways with kk) but at these tables, CALL

Originally Posted by 11 11

So you're suggesting he raises to $1.18 or 29.5bb with 1 limper?

yeah that was pretty odd as well.

lets say you make that raise and get a caller pf. i would assume he has AK, AA, or KK. (i would also assume he would raise, but for the sake of the example lets say he cold calls) if the flop is garbage, you should bet at least the pot on the flop (dont want AK drawing, he needs 6:1 odds and w/ implied odds less than half might do it) so you bet half of the pot which at that point is another giant chunk of your stack, only to find out he has AA or KK (duh)

where as you could raise 4X the bb pf, bet the flop, then get away cheaply if the flop is scary or he represents a big hand.

again though that applies more to higher limits where somone wont call 30 bb's with 8's.

Like I said at the top, they made the same play 2-3 times before this hand.

The 1st was an identical situation. Pocket 10s in early position. I bet .22 preflop and get two callers. The flop is all low with a possible straight(256o I believe). I bet .5 into the pot with one call and a reraise to 1.9. I fold it here with no info about thier play and a player to act behind me.

The other hands were just top pair weak kicker that were easy folds with other players to act.

I'm not sure if a fold here would be that great. They only made plays against me from the 1st hand they saw at the table til the last one I saw. Them making this same play multiple times just leads me to believe Qs are good.

If u want to avoid situations like this where someone flops a set on you, while u have QQ KK AA, and are therefore unable to lay it down - which causes u too lose ur entire stack. Raise it more PF. And im talking about a huge pf raise, something like 1/10th or 1/9th of ur stack. In this situation i would have raised to 60c-80c PF, and played it from there.

Since ur stack is so huge, implied odds are against you here. you need to raise it a hefty amount pf to deny implied odds for people holding small-medium pocket pairs to call and try to flop a set in hopes of stacking you.

demexx covered this topic in a thread i made a few months ago with a AA hand. so u might wanna check that out.