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    Stu Ungar KINGJACK's Avatar
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    Default Bad play?

    10$ Rebuy MTT
    5 minutes before break
    I'm 6th in chips with 4550t$
    UTG CL (9k+) and a pure stupid maniac... he makes all kind of moves but tight one.

    I'm on the CO with
    UTG limps 100
    Folds to me
    I raise it to 400
    Blinds fold
    UTG calls

    flop

    UTG bet 2K in a 950 pot
    I quickly go all in
    He call in a heart beat

    and shows

    no help I have to rebuy!

    Should I fold the flop? No way?

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    The same guy kicked me out in the 1st orbit after the break...

    I flopped a str8 + a FD... I went all in he called with an over card and a back door FD and guess what... he hit his flush!!!

    He is big time CL with over 22K! I cant see how I could miss the top 10 with that kind of stack and less than 100 players left, but I'm sure he can!!!

    KJ
    Last edited by KINGJACK; 03-22-2006 at 06:40 PM.
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    its the rebuy period. you ahead. push.
    it's better to be pissed off than pissed on
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    Well, the only thing you have beat here is a pair, or a pure bluff. I think that if he is a maniac, that you probably arent greating the best fold equity on the flop.

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    why are you even playing QJs? My replys to threads today all seem to be in vain of caution, and ppl would be forgiven for thinking i'm a complete pussy, but really, why not just fold preflop? You want to play QJs against a maniac who has you covered? Slow and steady wins the race in MTTs. You're sixth in chips, you can wait for better spots. This hand is good for a limp at best, given that someone else has already limped in front. But limpers deserve to be, and often are, raised.

    Once you're on the flop, you might as well go all in, you have overcards, a flush draw and InStr8 draw, and you can rebuy...but its more of a you've dug your grave now lie in it situtation.
    I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? for he wants to perish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Bloodclot
    why are you even playing QJs? My replys to threads today all seem to be in vain of caution, and ppl would be forgiven for thinking i'm a complete pussy, but really, why not just fold preflop? You want to play QJs against a maniac who has you covered? Slow and steady wins the race in MTTs. You're sixth in chips, you can wait for better spots. This hand is good for a limp at best, given that someone else has already limped in front. But limpers deserve to be, and often are, raised.

    Once you're on the flop, you might as well go all in, you have overcards, a flush draw and InStr8 draw, and you can rebuy...but its more of a you've dug your grave now lie in it situtation.
    well, you are right, but let me add a few more info.
    Blinds were very weak players, and I knew they could lay down weak As to a 4 BB raise... Button was solid, and I knew he would reraise with anithing beating me but KQ. AK or a PP would have been an auto reraise for him knowing i was probably on a move to isolate UTG. It wold have been easy for me to lay my hand down to a reraise from him or the blinds, and I was isolating UTG for a pretty cheap price.

    Considering QJs probably makes more money VS multiple players, I could also have limped it, but hate limping soo much, especialy VS a single limper and only 3 players to act.

    And for me, folding wasnt an option considering I'm ahead more than 70% of the time in that situation, and potentialy dominating a hand like QT, Q9, J9 or JT here... I knew what he was able to do with any crap!!!!!!

    But I definately undestand your concerns about raising QJs...

    KJ



    I wanted to isolate the maniac.
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    you do not have to play this hand preflop at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGJACK
    I wanted to isolate the maniac.
    I see where you're coming from, and its a high risk but possibly high reward strategy. But theres a reason most horror movies involve being isolated with a maniac .
    I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? for he wants to perish.

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    "Blinds were very weak players, and I knew they could lay down weak As to a 4 BB raise..."

    dont steal during rebuy period. play is very loose and blinds are sooooo early. if you are going to play this hand limp behind. it doesnt make any sense to raise here.

    "I could also have limped it, but hate limping soo much, especialy VS a single limper and only 3 players to act."

    whats wrong with limping? the hand plays better in a pot like that. open limping isnt good with this hand, but limping behind late is good especially in the rebuy period
    it's better to be pissed off than pissed on
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    Something to think about, when I have a large stack in a MTT I try and avoid the one or two people at the table who have me covered.

    Raising to isolate him makes it more likely that you get stacked. I can see limping in a pot that he's in and trying to hit a monster (which you did... no complaint here) but bumping it against him when you know he's gonna call basically is saying that if you hit anything you're playing for your whole stack with QJ.
    -You may not know this, but poker is a game of incomplete information.

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