Up until the river I just felt like I was dealing with a dumbass chasing a flush. I just really hate it when I get a nice hand out of something I didn't want to be playing in the first place. At least I hate it when I lose with said hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

Hero (t1480)
UTG (t1700)
UTG+1 (t1000)
MP1 (t1670)
MP2 (t1270)
MP3 =#A500AF(Lucky Individual)/ (t1340)
CO (t1380)
Button (t2200)
SB (t1460)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
4 folds, MP3 =#A500AF(Lucky Individual)/ calls t20, CO calls t20, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t80) , , (4 players)
SB bets t20, Hero raises to t80, Lucky Individual calls t80, CO folds, SB calls t60.

Turn: (t320) (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t300, Lucky Individual calls t300, SB folds.

River: (t920) (2 players)
Hero bets t300, Lucky Individual raises to t940, Hero calls t640.

Final Pot: t2800

Results in white below:
Hero has 4s 3d (three of a kind, threes).
Lucky Individual has 8h 8s (full house, eights full of threes).
Outcome: Lucky Individual wins t2800.

Especially with the (reduces the chances of a flush draw), and given the action, there is no reason to suspect a flush draw. In fact, I'd be thinking KQ here. And the odds alone dictate you call this. Possibly he could have backed into a flush with hands like QJs, but It's low on my list of probables.

Now looking at the results is a complete surprise. I was thinking that he may be slowplaying something, but wtf is he doing with a three? So I ruled that out. The results were surprising, but I think you both then played it well.

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You say it looks like maybe KQ Marm, but I don't think that is imaginable until the K on the river, and not even then because of the prior action. What kind of uber donk calls 300 on the turn without at least an ace to convince himself that his ace high might be good at that point? The only possibilities running through my head were an overpair, a flush draw or a boat with the 8s. The boat being the obvious worst case scenario but also one that I thought to be extremely unlikely.

i check-call this river..
by the looks of the play, he has a 3 with higher kicker (possible fullhouse as well).. either that or he was on the FD that didnt make it..

by checking this river, u give him a chance to bluff at the pot if he missed his FD..

also if this guy is holding 3 with higher kicker, or full house, then a check-call here would minimize ur losses on the river.

if you post s/gs and mtts the buy in helps

on this hand i have no idea. i probably would have checked flop though and it would have played differently

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Haven't read the other replies yet or the results,


On the flop - when someone cold calls a bet and a raise on a paired board like this alarm bells should go off. SB probably betting an 8 or possibly the other 3 in which case you're smooshed because of your kicker, but the limper I'm putting on 1 of 2 hands 88 or A3, so either way you're smooshed

I would check to him on the turn to see what he does and to keep the pot small. This way he will either check the turn or make a smallish bet thinking you have a weak hand, if you show strength after those 2 calls on the flop he will know he can bet big and reel his catch in

Personally i want nothing to do with this hand once the SB and a limper want to stay involved. You represented a 3 and it didn't scare either of them, you should be scared. I would have folded to any bet by the limper on the turn, and maybe, I stress maybe, called a smallish bet by him on the river to see what he has


This is one of the most obvious situations where you are up against a monster, When there are 2 3's (or whatever card) on the board and 2 people are betting and raising with a 3rd just calling. That guy calling is yelling for his wife to come in and watch him bust the other 2. There are only 2 other 3's in the deck so why is this 3rd guy sticking around?

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I find your response in this thread shallow, and pedantic...

KQ of clubs plays this hand like the villian did.

i check call the river with no info on the player. f,ush draw is a reasonable assumption until the river raise, but i still check the river.

lol, great post steve.

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This is why I love Steve-O even though he can be an angry man. Great analysis..........I thik we can all learn something in this post.

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