Just looking for some strategy input here on my play, I was thinking about this hand and wondering if I got the most out of it. Hadn't played many hands with basically everyone involved in the hand so no real reads on the type of players. Would trying a CR at any point be a good idea here?


** Anna [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 Fixed Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- BuKo81 sitting in seat 1 with $9.79
- dadiao888 sitting in seat 2 with $21.00
- ccc1433732r sitting in seat 3 with $108.75 [Dealer]
- RenoPoker sitting in seat 4 with $11.00
- ANTONUCCI sitting in seat 5 with $4.25
- Hero sitting in seat 6 with $42.25
- xiaojiekoko sitting in seat 7 with $44.83
- Havercamp sitting in seat 8 with $53.89
- AnitaAsh sitting in seat 9 with $49.75
- onetee sitting in seat 10 with $21.50

RenoPoker posted the small blind - $0.25
ANTONUCCI posted the big blind - $0.50
** Dealing card to Hero:
Hero raised - $1.00
xiaojiekoko called - $1.00
Havercamp folded
AnitaAsh called - $1.00
onetee called - $1.00
BuKo81 folded
dadiao888 folded
ccc1433732r folded
RenoPoker folded
ANTONUCCI called - $1.00

** Dealing the flop:
ANTONUCCI bet - $0.50
Hero raised - $1.00
xiaojiekoko called - $1.00
AnitaAsh folded
onetee called - $1.00
ANTONUCCI called - $1.00

** Dealing the turn:
ANTONUCCI checked
Hero bet - $1.00
xiaojiekoko called - $1.00
onetee folded
ANTONUCCI called - $1.00

** Dealing the river:
ANTONUCCI checked
Hero bet - $1.00
xiaojiekoko called - $1.00
ANTONUCCI called - $1.00
Hero shows: Kings full of 7's
xiaojiekoko mucks:
ANTONUCCI mucks:
Hero wins $14.50 from the main pot

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I don't think so - you raised the flop so I'm not sure if anyone would have bit on a check-raise attempt on the turn. In general I don't like check-raising the river because too often it just gets checked down.

EDIT after further thought:

I think I may have been inclined to just call the flop to try and encourage overcalls; you got two so it worked out but often with multiple people to act I'll just call with a big hand on a board that's not draw heavy to keep people in. If you had done that then a check-raise on the turn is a possibility but the first guy probably would have led out agian if he hadn't been raised on the flop.

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Calling the flop would have been a mistake, you make your money by pushing edges and making people incorrectly call. Anyone with any piece of that flop would be stupid to fold for 1 bet getting 10:1 on their money, however you cut that down with the raise and let people make a mistake.

Checking the turn or river would be a terrible idea, this hand is about as textbook as you can get. Don't try and play tricky, save that for rare occasions and only then when it is heads-up.

Thanks guys, I'm still trying to get a feel for playing a new limit. The play tends to be a little different than the micro's I was playing so I'm trying to look at some of my bigger hands to see "if I done good".

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There are so few ways to protect a hand in Limit that every tactic has to be part of your over all strategy - including a check-raise a good part of the time. But a good check-raise is dependant on a co-operative player - either one who will take a read of weakness or an aggressive who can be counted on to bluff or try and buy a pot on preceived weakness.
In this hand, you had a good opportunity for a check-raise on the turn when the trip King showed up. A check here might have been read as an overcard to a (your) Q or J and an opportunity for a steal. But if your opps are predominately passive, don't try a ck-r - it will cost you chips and grant free cards to chasers/call stations.

Where I like to use a ck-r a fair amount is from the blinds after I hit the flop. Since I probably just completed or checked-in rather than raised pf (I seldom raise from the blinds unless its with AA, KK or QQ) a ck-r is most usually regarded as weakness untill it comes around again and I lower the hammer. Do this a few times and the button/cut-off will occationally allow a free card even when you were NOT on the ck-r (which is over 2/3 of the time).

Once I was at a table with a maniac who was consistantly on the steal. I had ck-r about 3 times in the past hour with good hands/flops that all were showed down. Then I was in the SB with garbage and checked with the intention of folding when the maniac in MP put in a raise. It came back to me and if I called we would be HU. Instead I put in a re-r and the maniac folded - lol

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i think ur play here was great.. a check raise on the turn would have thinned the field alot and u probably wouldnt have gotten 2 callers on the river if u did that.

un-intuitively, you'll often make more money by playing your big hands straight then in trying to be tricky, and it's often neccessary to use check/raises to protect weak made hands.

You definantly had to raise the flop, since your hand is vulnerable. No, you don't neccessarily have to make people fold, but you're costing your opponents equity in the pot, and not raising costs you equity. Your hand isn't strong enough here.

On the turn, you're pretty set... but you've allready shown aggression, and they're probably willing to check it down if they don't have a K. A check-raise isn't likely to work in this case... and if you force people to call 2 cold, then they're a lot less likely to continue to play here, and you WANT them to play.

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I think that with a board like this, a check-raise was never going to achieve anything. You had to raise pre-flop (c'mon, it's bad practice not to do so with a killer hand) so your opponents could pretty much guarantee that you were holding at least one king. Maybe if an ace appeared on the board there might have been a chance of check-raising, but here I don't see it.

From my experience, a good time to try a check-raise (I play limit by the way) is when people don't have a clue what you're holding. Say for example you had 53o as your pocket cards, you're BB and everyone limps. The flop lays you 5A5 so it might be an idea to check here as somebody is bound to have an ace and, given the lack of pre-flop activity, are highly unlikely to be holding a pair of aces. I find this is the most effective use of a check-raise.