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Old 03-15-2006, 05:49 PM
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UTG ($2.86)
Hero ($4.54)
CO ($8.82)
Button ($6.23)
SB ($3.82)
BB ($6.01)

Preflop: Hero is MP with , .
1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.25) , , (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.1, Hero raises to $0.4, CO folds, Button calls $0.40, SB folds, BB calls $0.30.

Turn: ($1.45) (3 players)
BB bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50.

River: ($2.95) (3 players)
BB bets $1.05, Hero folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: $4

Results in white below:
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Outcome: BB wins $4.
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Old 03-15-2006, 05:50 PM
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God....even as I look over that, I can see what's wrong.
Raise PF.
Raise more on the flop.
Re-raise the turn.

Sound about right?
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Old 03-15-2006, 05:51 PM
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Ooops....someone wanna move this to the strategy forum?
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God....even as I look over that, I can see what's wrong.
Raise PF.
Raise more on the flop.
Re-raise the turn.

Sound about right?
you nailed it!

much easier t o access after you play then during imo.
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Playing 6 handed, you gotta lower your starting hand requirements. I would think (don't know) that AJs is a premium hand and you have to raise it PF for sure (never call into an unopened pot, always raise or fold) and you flopped top 2 pair, bet hard to take it down or make them pay for their draw. The turn I am raising again, the river, I would prolly check/call.
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Old 03-15-2006, 05:58 PM
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Flop raise was good for the pot that was there, but a little more is good too, your bet was on the low end of OK, but still OK.

Yup, raise the turn, about pot sized.

And I think you need to call the river. His action indicates he is possibly not playing a king, possible, but action earlier is giving me that Ax is a strong enough possibility that I think we may have odds to call. Pretty sure we can win this 1 time in 5, so yeah calling is +EV there.
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And I think you need to call the river. His action indicates he is possibly not playing a king, possible, but action earlier is giving me that Ax is a strong enough possibility that I think we may have odds to call. Pretty sure we can win this 1 time in 5, so yeah calling is +EV there.
at these low of stakes, people will honestly play Q6 on the flop looking for a K, and now think they have the best hand with bad 2 pair and value bet.

even not at these low stakes, marms math sounds right.

and yeah everybody allready covered the fact u gotta raise more.
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Old 03-15-2006, 11:22 PM
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God....even as I look over that, I can see what's wrong.
Raise PF.
Raise more on the flop.
Re-raise the turn.

Sound about right?
lol, couldnt have said it better myself!
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Yeah, on the turn I think he probably hit his kicker... so I raise.

I would never fold a good hand to a 1/3 pot bet in NL on the river. Never. Sound silly? just try calling there a few times and get an idea of how often you win... I guarantee you'll find it's profitable.
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