PLO8 is anything but a lotto, its one of the m ost skill demanding poker games.

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Yes, I agree with you beavis for the most part. The only problem with a hand like AKJJ, is that it is really only good when high cards come up. When low cards come on the flop, you have no chance at the low, and someone most likely has a straight draw. I really only play a hand like AKJJ when it is double suited.

With a hand like 55, i agree that hitting a set leads one succeptible to the low draws. I really like to have an Ace with me if I play small pairs. His call wasn't horrible with 10 outs.

The guy with A2...should not have called. Although, any 8, 7, 6, or 3 gives him the nut low. I wouldn't have called in this situation, but I do understand the call.

And, yes. I feel that PLO8 is very skill demanding. Maybe I am just biased though.

The rule of 13 is for implied outs in Omaha 8 even more than in Omaha Hi. When you hold A3 and have a low straight draw, you want the to pot to lay you double the odds than in a straight Hi game because you only win half of the pot if you hit your straight with a low cards.

In PLO8, which I haven't played in months, I got very cautious with the lower connectors just because the cards that give me my straight makes me the favorite to only win half of the pot.

In actuality, only the deuce would give you the whole pot, while a 3, 6, 7, or 8 gave you half of the pot. You had 17 unseen cards to make your straight and with two callers for the pot after 5 see the flop, the A23's and A2X's are one of your callers making you a coin flip to win half of the pot and if you're lucky, split the lo pot. The A2XX is also a coin flip for half of the pot and the 55XX has the best hand and is a coin flip to win the WHOLE pot with the board pairing or just some high cards.

This is why I don't like the aggression here in a tourney. I'm not an Omaha tourney guy and Omaha is the game that defines the "it's all one long session" saying, so in a cash game, the move isn't bad, Crippling yourself early in a tourney on a draw is definitely questionable when your odds to scoop were so dim.

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Calling pot sized raises with A2 and no chance at the high in always a losing proposition. You need 3-1 odds just to break even - if you don't get quartered.

Therefore, a chance like A3 gives you a good chance to scoop when you have strong hi-outs too.

And I think you meant implied ODDS, right Alex?

You don't call all-in with just 13outs but as you pointed out, Marm had a lot more than that.

Omaha is a strange game, wierd mix of skill and luck. Bad players get chopped up in the long run, but it can be a long process at very loose tables.

The "schooling" effect pushes money around quite a bit. However, I find I can double up pretty quickly at most tables being patient. It sometimes takes a bust first, but I usually snatch a big pot (for the limits I play). It can definitely be a lotto in the short term is there is a lot of pre-flop action. You don't get many seriously dominating hands.

I had a really frustrating session on UB at the limit 08/b tables. Guys were playing crap like K972 from middle position, and playing A-6 for the low - I just couldn't get a hand. I finally flopped 3 pair and meant to check-raise but I called instead.

I hate playing with people like this when I can't get cards. Is one good scoop too much to ask?

No beav, I did mean "outs" as a way stress that putting someone on one of your deuces is very important. That's why I like building the pot here in a cash game situation. You're giving people a rich pot that entices people to keep your odds alive. Though in a tourney situation, I would be a bit more cautious on a half pot draw simply because when you're broke, you're done. Five people see a flop. Someone has A2 9-handed with this much action. The action was laying the guy with A2 3:1. There was the existing pot, Marm's bet, and the guy with 55XX's call.

The only card that gave Marm the oppurtunity to scoop was a deuce and he only scoops if he's lucky enough to not encounter A2, so in this case I might wanna keep the pot small and avoid a big pot.

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yeah, those are some good points, but marm mentioned that the 55 guy actually re-raised all-in so I assume the guy was getting much less than 3:1 on his call.

Tourney PLO8 - man, I have done ok in some, but I have no clue about "proper" strategy. You missed a lot of the discussion, but Marm and I are both playing "Phillips" poker as he calls it (after some Paul Phillips writings I have been pirating), taking and exploiting any edge no matter how small to build chips early. It isn't about winning tournaments, it is about using your time in the way that maximizes winnings. Can you say "paradigm shift"?

You get knocked out in the first hand? Cool, now you can play ring games, better than bubbling or spending 6 hours to go out in the lowest tier.

This gave me my first win in a 2500 person tournament on UB (it was bonus bucks but I will earn it).

As much as I love Omaha, I hate Omaha tourneys. I pretty much stick to rings. A few days ago, I was playing an O8 freeroll. I was 2nd in chips with 514 left. I ended up finishing in 200ish. The swings in a tourney can be drastic. Ring Omaha is more relaxing for me, hehe.

SO I did good, yes?

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