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  1. #1
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    Default 3 turn-checkraise hands - evaluate

    Hi ya'all, little help please.

    All three hands were live $4-8 at the Wynn and all three occurred within two orbits. They were all somewhat similar, the BB was villian in all 3:
    1) I raised preflop first in from late middle position
    2) The BB just called preflop
    3) The BB checked the flop and called my flop bet
    4) The BB checked turn and checkraised me
    5) I called the turn checkraise and called BB bet on river
    6) there may have been some dead money in but all were headsup before the turn so similar pot sizes
    7) different BB villian each time but all pretty good players, not pros obviously but better than the average 4-8 player

    Hand#1:
    Dealt
    Flop:
    Turn:
    River: blank

    Hand#2:
    Dealt:
    Flop:
    Turn:
    River: blank

    Hand#3:
    Dealt:
    Flop:
    Turn:
    River: blank

    I'll post villian hands after some reponses. Are these reasonable calldowns? In all three I felt (at the time!) that I had reasonable hands but all three situations are kinda "way behind, way ahead" situations so didn't feel comfortable folding them. I didn't necessarily lose all three, want to know what others would do with each hand.
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    I think they're fair call-downs. For the second hand I think I'd re-raise the villain's check-raise but that would depend on my reads of the player. What were your reads on each of your opponents?

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    the blank on turn in 1 isn't scary, if your opponent will CR with alot of things then yeah call down is good. If he is typically passive, then you can fold. But the call down isn't bad.

    Second hand, against a tricky player I'd probably 3 bet the turn, he could be representing a big ace aswell as a variety of other hands. Alot of players might do this with alot weaker holdings just trying to bluff you out in case you had something like TT-KK.

    Third hand, screams that he hit his flush. Against a better player you should probably call down, against a passive player you could fold, but I don't think that I could.

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    I don't see fplding any of these hands and calling down on the river is right for hand #1 & 3. Hand #2 I'd probably want to re-raise the ck-r on the turn.

    In limit poker if I'm first to bet and especially HU, and I caught a piece of the flop I'll often check-call into the pf raiser on the flop and then ck-r on the turn.
    Ist of all, the flop is a small bet and I figure he'll continuation bet if the flop missed him or not but I don't want to lose him on the flop by leading out when I may have the best hand.
    2nd if I ck-r on the turn he'll give me huge credit for a strong hand that I was slowplaying until I got at least 1 big bet on the turn before acting - this may cause him to fold 2nd pair or a draw. If he has a good hand he'll either re-r and I can fold or he'll call it down.
    3rd - the ck-r on the turn gives me an extra way to win the hand that calling can not - i.e he may fold on the turn!
    4th and lastly, I don't bluff scare cards that much but many will such as the club flush in hand #3 so in your position and until you have a good read on the guy, you should call it down so they will bluff you less in future - they will know you will call down if you have something so won't likely try the bluff! It may cost you from time to time but acts as insurance that can save you chips in the future.

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    Agree with pretty much everything Aces said. The only hand I wouldn't reraise would be the 3rd hand, and that one I am likely to call down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by growlers

    Hand#1:
    Dealt
    Flop:
    Turn:
    River: blank

    Hand#2:
    Dealt:
    Flop:
    Turn:
    River: blank

    Hand#3:
    Dealt:
    Flop:
    Turn:
    River: blank
    .
    Thanks for the thoughts.
    I actually did lose all three. Here are villian hands:
    Hand#1: AA
    Hand#2: A10
    Hand#3: Kc10c

    I feel a little better than people agreed with the call downs. I felt like I should have known somehow. I was up $180 in the game and went down to negative $30 in the space of 30 minutes. Very demoralizing and made me question my hand reading skills so glad I posted becuase I feel better now!
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    1) call down

    2) reraise the turn. Then get worried when he caps.

    3) call down
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