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    Poker Hustler eclinchy's Avatar
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    Default I am choketastic!

    I just went from a huge stack and a likely cash in a $20 tourney to busting out... in about ten minutes. Check out the two hands that killed me... did I play them wrong, or was I just unlucky?

    ***** Hand History for Game 1239353280 *****
    NL Hold'em Trny:7535773 Level:6 Blinds (75/150) - Monday, November 29, 21:09:01 EDT 2004
    Table Multi-Table(148503) Table #50 (Real Money)
    Seat 4 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 6: lawrenceg ( $6760 )
    Seat 7: EvanWithAnS ( $7221 )
    Seat 9: Trace2016 ( $1637 )
    Seat 1: J2Lagge ( $7164 )
    Seat 5: FerretTime ( $5566 )
    Seat 4: JUKINGJONNY ( $895 )
    Seat 3: jl2595 ( $2505 )
    Seat 10: rphishgw ( $610 )
    Seat 8: gbote ( $1255 )
    Seat 2: jackpow ( $3990 )
    Trny:7535773 Level:6
    Blinds (75/150)
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to EvanWithAnS [ ]
    EvanWithAnS raises [375].
    gbote folds.
    Trace2016 folds.
    rphishgw folds.
    J2Lagge folds.
    jackpow folds.
    jl2595 folds.
    JUKINGJONNY folds.
    FerretTime folds.
    lawrenceg calls [225].
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
    lawrenceg checks.
    EvanWithAnS bets [700].
    lawrenceg raises [1400].
    EvanWithAnS calls [700].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
    lawrenceg is all-In.
    EvanWithAnS calls [4985].
    ** Dealing River ** [ ]
    lawrenceg shows [ , ] two pairs, queens and eights.
    EvanWithAnS shows [ , ] a pair of queens.
    lawrenceg wins 13595 chips from the main pot with two pairs, queens and eights.

    I raised with AQ and I bet top pair/top kicker for value. Who could've seen the Q8 coming? It was raised preflop, I wouldn't expect Q8 to be in the hand.

    ***** Hand History for Game 1239381517 *****
    NL Hold'em Trny:7535773 Level:6 Blinds (75/150) - Monday, November 29, 21:14:58 EDT 2004
    Table Multi-Table(148503) Table #50 (Real Money)
    Seat 2 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 6: lawrenceg ( $13020 )
    Seat 7: EvanWithAnS ( $2503 )
    Seat 9: Trace2016 ( $1412 )
    Seat 1: J2Lagge ( $7422 )
    Seat 5: FerretTime ( $5491 )
    Seat 3: jl2595 ( $3380 )
    Seat 10: rphishgw ( $610 )
    Seat 2: jackpow ( $3765 )
    Seat 4: Beeron ( $3075 )
    Seat 8: ishea ( $4095 )
    Trny:7535773 Level:6
    Blinds (75/150)
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to EvanWithAnS [ ]
    FerretTime folds.
    lawrenceg folds.
    EvanWithAnS raises [325].
    ishea folds.
    Trace2016 folds.
    rphishgw folds.
    J2Lagge calls [325].
    jackpow folds.
    jl2595 folds.
    Beeron folds.
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
    EvanWithAnS bets [200].
    J2Lagge is all-In.
    EvanWithAnS is all-In.
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
    ** Dealing River ** [ ]
    EvanWithAnS shows [ , ] a pair of kings.
    J2Lagge shows [ , ] a flush, ace high.
    Player EvanWithAnS finished in 556 place
    J2Lagge wins 4919 chips from side pot #1 with a flush, ace high.
    J2Lagge wins 5231 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high.
    EvanWithAnS has left the table.

    Didn't want to push all in with the kings too early, I wanted action. But I got my chips in fairly soon. Correctly played, no?
    Last edited by eclinchy; 11-29-2004 at 05:50 PM.

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    First hand, what can you say?

    2nd hand, you both played right, but he won.

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    Damn, they werent even the same color!
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

    Luck is a Residue of Design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marm
    Damn, they werent even the same color!
    What?

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    THe Q8, at least the possibility that he misread his hand may give him a little pity.......
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

    Luck is a Residue of Design.

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    First hand: With that stack and AQ, I think you should raise harder preflop to prevent people from calling with those cards. I think he came into the hand because he had chips to burn, it wasn't that much of a call for him especially if he's loose considering everyone else folded.

    Second hand: I see nothing wrong here. Even if you pushed all in preflop you might have gotten a call from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SporK
    First hand: With that stack and AQ, I think you should raise harder preflop to prevent people from calling with those cards. I think he came into the hand because he had chips to burn, it wasn't that much of a call for him especially if he's loose considering everyone else folded.

    Second hand: I see nothing wrong here. Even if you pushed all in preflop you might have gotten a call from him.
    While I kinda agree, maybe another BB up would work, you don't play around with Q8o, even from the big blind, ESPECIALLY against an UTG raiser.
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

    Luck is a Residue of Design.

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    Why would you want Q8 to fold? Though an even 400 or 450 probably would have been better.

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    Both hands I raise to at least 3BB
    “There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann

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    First hand I would fold on turn. Maybe call if a spade landed on turn. It is a little player dependent... So I'd fold if this guy was being tight/quiet for the most part, and then came to life in this hand. If the guy's being a nut and going all in everytime he's in a pot, then you gotta call. My guess is the guy was being tight/quiet (comparitively speaking).

    Second hand... Nothing you can do.

    Cheers,

    Mike

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