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Old 03-14-2006, 12:21 PM
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I was playing in a $2/$5 NL game in AC when this hand came up.

I started the hand with $250 on the button. Players from UTG, MP, and the CO limped in. I held pocket , and I called. The SB completed, the BB checked, and 6 players saw the flop with $30 in the pot.

The flop came . Everyone checked to me. With six players in the pot and both straight and flush draws presented, I bet $20 into the $30 pot with my set.

The SB, a loose and gambling type player, flat called, and I put him on a flush draw. The BB folded, and then the UTG player made a minimum check-raise to $40, thereby making the total pot $110. UTG was a slightly passive, slightly loose, and below average player.

It took a while for the action to get back to me, as the in-between players thought a bit before folding. I put the UTG player on a hand like AT or possibly T7s. I thought about, but rejected, that he had TT since (1) he opened the pot preflop with a limp instead of a raise and (2) he made only a minimum check-raise on the flop in a big multiway pot with multiple draws presented. As a result, I pushed all-in with my remaining $225 when it was my turn.

Both the SB and the UTG called (leaving both with less than $50 each, so my bet was a big chunk of their stacks).

The SB held (for the nut flush draw), and the UTG held (for the top set). A spade came on the turn, and the SB took the pot.

Anyone think my play was way too aggressive here? Sometimes I think that I should just called the checkraise and see what happened with the betting on the turn depending on what card fell.
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Old 03-14-2006, 12:34 PM
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Old 03-14-2006, 12:36 PM
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Old 03-14-2006, 01:27 PM
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If you flop a set and don't lose a lot of money, you did something wrong
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Old 03-14-2006, 03:28 PM
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Everyone checked to me. With six players in the pot and both straight and flush draws presented, I bet $20 into the $30 pot with my set.

IMO if you don't make a strong move (such as you did with the all-in) to protect your set on the flop, you're doomed to be outdrawn. I think I might have bet the pot on the first bet however - seems too many figure on implied odds to help justify a call for 1/2 - 2/3 pot bets!
Tuf luck you were already beat by a better set but as some pro or other said 'if he's beat by a better set then he's going broke finding out!!'
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Old 03-14-2006, 03:34 PM
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Anyone think my play was way too aggressive here? Sometimes I think that I should just called the checkraise and see what happened with the betting on the turn depending on what card fell.

No way man.. u had a set, u have to bet to protect it. ur play here was perfectly fine. Never in a million years would i doubt a set being the best hand on a flop like that.
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Old 03-15-2006, 05:44 AM
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Thanks. I second-guess myself a lot and felt in hindsight that I should not have been so quick to reject being in a set-over-set situation, and that's the read where I felt I went wrong in this case (even though the guy with the flush draw won). The check-raise was a little unusual for this somewhat passive player, and I wondered afterward if it should have caused me to slow down. If I had picked up on the red flag, I wouldn't have lost my whole stack when the flush materialized on the turn.
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