3rd best starting hand in Hold'em folded to a pf re-raise? I get the same amount of dissapointments as everyone else when QQ gets busted but I don't think I've ever laid it down pre-flop! Plenty of A-Q, A-J and at least one A-K but never do I recall ever laying down QQ without seeing the flop. I guess in 'results oriented' hindsight this was a good laydown but I have trouble seeing it that way.
So now if the mouse (TP) sees you coming in with a standard raise, he knows that 3x your raise will cause you to fold regardless of what he actually has!?!?!? Would you have called for a re-raise 2x your raise?

It's not only the opps table image that you have to pay attention to - yours is just as important both to the opps and your future plays. This time he had KK, the next time you have QQ and he has AKo or A-Qo, the re-raise may be just to isolate you HU where he has better winning odds than going up against 2 or 3 other callers. Also, the villian now knows he probably re-raised too much to get the action he should have welcomed and will choose to trap you with a call next time.

This hand it was a great read and laydown - but what effect does it have on future hands and your ability to control the action? How would you feel about this laydown if he showed you A-Js instread?

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Ace.....

I understand where you are coming from which is why I posted this hand. Those were my thoughts after the session was over, although I wasn't concerned with future table image since I was on my final orbit and about to log off.

I only made the laydown because I was so sure he had KK or AA. If the raise was smaller I probably call looking to hit a set and crush him if I fit. My luck the flop would have come Q,K,A then what? lol

is that some kind of sick joke? do you raise KK? do you raise AA? if QQ is just as bad as 99 then KK is just as bad as TT right?
WTF? QQ is one of the 4 best holdem starting hands, and you are going to limp in and let one of the 2652 other starting hands beat you? for FREE?

the chance of being dealt KK or AA is less than 1 percent, so every time you get QQ utg you limp assuming one person at the table has AA or KK?

reminds me of a funny story.
one time i was playing 1-2 nl up at the casino. im dealt AK in late position, 2 limpers before me. i raise like 4X the bb, folds to one of the limpers, he calls. he checks the flop of Kh Xh Xc and i bet. he calls. turn is X, blank, and he checks again. i bet more, about the size of the pot. he calls. river is a heart and he checks so i figure he made a flush and is trying to play me for another big bet. he was new at the table so i really had no idea about him. figured it was smart to just check.
so i check
he turns over AA. "phew" the guy says in relief. "glad you didnt bet that river"
honestly for an hour (until i watched him play a while) i thought he was just messing with me.
moral of the story: dont be that guy

oh, as for the hand! lol.

anyways, heres why I call. like i said above, the chance you are beat is slim. even if you know hes a rock, he still might raise with JJ, AK, etc. there is a SLIM chance he has a poor hand, (unlikley, due to his stats)
so lets assume we know hes a solid player whos not messing around with AT. ok, he raised you. he doesnt know you have QQ, with your raise, (and i imagine you have been playing TIGHT at this table, due to the laydown) he can probably put you on a hand range like AJ+, 77+, something like that. if he thinks thats what you have, he can raise with alot of hands.

but what if he has AA? KK? if you flop a set, your implied odds are HUGE! sure, you are way behind, a 4-1 dog if hes got a bigger pair, but im thinking you can stack him, at least get a nice pot if you set.

this is one of the few situations where you KNOW you have implied odds if you need them. I doubt they will be able to fold AA or KK to rags on the flop, im sure they will at least get 2 bets in. sure, flopping a set is unlikley, but so is the villian holding one of the bigger pairs.

im calling this.

No, thats not why I limp. I limp b/c it looks suspicious. I don't like playing queens utg, and i'd rather look suspcious, and see a cheap flop then get caught raising by that 1 percent chance someone has KK or AA.

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This weak tight thinking will get you nowhere in poker.

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you are just asking to lose all your chips that way. im not trying to be a dick, but i think you would be better off folding if you are afraid to make a raise with QQ. actually, just fold every hand. you would probably lose less. and its not 1%, its less than 1%.

actually, ive been unclear. its not a <1% chance somone else at the table has been dealt aa or kk. its <1% that you will be dealt one of these hands, so multiply .9% X however many other people are at the table.

thanks, i'm still learning. thats why I make posts, so I can get critiqued.

I will loosen up with my queens. but at what point do you just limp utg? JJ? TT? 99?

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For me, never. I'll raise down to 77ish and folding 22-66ish. Sometimes I'll raise the small pairs, or limp on occasion. Same thing with the big aces, raising AK and AQo(mostly), folding AJ and down from utg

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very good. thanks for that.

by the way, what the heck is a bonch?

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