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    Stu Ungar KINGJACK's Avatar
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    Default Can I fold AA here?

    .25/.50 NL
    on the Button with AA and 119$ in front of me
    MP has 77$ tight agressive (checked raise me on the flop 15 hands ago and I layed tptk (AQ)... he shown a set of 7s)

    2 limpers
    MP raises to 2.50$
    I reraise to 7$
    Limpers fold

    Flop J 7 2 rainbow

    He bets 12$
    Honestly I tought about JJ, but I was the PF raiser, I figured he would have check raise me again with a set, or even traped.

    So I think a few seconds and raised it to 30$ (18 to go for him)

    He quickly reraised all in!

    50$ to call to win a 152$ pot... But now I really have him on JJ...

    How often I will be wrong and take that pot?

    I called after taking all the time I had and he took the huge 300+ BB pot with JJ! I changed my mind at the last second. DAM!

    Some of you fold this hand?

    KJ
    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    Without reading the HH, No.... Now let me read it...

    No, I don't fold this. Your read was 'right' in that the majority of the time, he will slowplay the set. Now This is guys is probably very good and knew you knew he'd slowplay, so he did the opposite. I'd stay away from this guy, he's going to get you all twisted around later.
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    this is why beavis doesn't play big stack NL

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    against a ta/a player?

    Fairly difficult fold... but with your read on him and the fact that he "quickly" moved in tells me your beat.

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    The question isn’t really whether or not to lay it down [although that is an important question in the narrow sense of the specific hand] … the real question that you’ll get a benefit from answering has more to do with your raise on the flop.

    What were you trying to accomplish with the raise? To put it another way, think of the hand as a conversation where you speak in bets – what were you saying with the raise? What did the all in say in response?

    I get the impression you were meaning to ask “Do you have JJ?” with your raise. Or maybe more accurately “Do you have AA beat?” Your opp. pretty clearly replied “Yes” with their all in.

    The issue here for your game isn’t whether calling with AA at 3-1 is right or wrong – it’s the fact that you got what you were looking for from your $30 – a clear answer – but it turns out you didn’t “like” the answer, so you called anyway.

    I guess what I’m saying is having a clear understanding of what information you’re trying to gain with a bet – and what actions you plan to take based on that info you get - before you make it will reduce ambiguity for all actions after the bet.

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by PartTimePoker
    The question isn’t really whether or not to lay it down [although that is an important question in the narrow sense of the specific hand] … the real question that you’ll get a benefit from answering has more to do with your raise on the flop.

    What were you trying to accomplish with the raise? To put it another way, think of the hand as a conversation where you speak in bets – what were you saying with the raise? What did the all in say in response?

    I get the impression you were meaning to ask “Do you have JJ?” with your raise. Or maybe more accurately “Do you have AA beat?” Your opp. pretty clearly replied “Yes” with their all in.

    The issue here for your game isn’t whether calling with AA at 3-1 is right or wrong – it’s the fact that you got what you were looking for from your $30 – a clear answer – but it turns out you didn’t “like” the answer, so you called anyway.

    I guess what I’m saying is having a clear understanding of what information you’re trying to gain with a bet – and what actions you plan to take based on that info you get - before you make it will reduce ambiguity for all actions after the bet.

    Chris
    I have to say that this is one of the better replies to a post that I have seen on this site. GJ and thanks for the lesson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nimvin
    I have to say that this is one of the better replies to a post that I have seen on this site. GJ and thanks for the lesson.
    It is....

    definately I knew he was on JJ, but I wanted to see... pretty stupid considering I knew 90% sure she, cause she was a girl, was a solid player... after that play, I was 100% sure! Its a really solid play to bet 13 in a 15$ pot with top set and no draw on board after that check raise a few hands ago!

    Got seted up!

    What pissed me off the most, is that I almost layed it down!

    TY guys!

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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