Should I have lost less here?

Antneye · #1 (**permalink**) 03-10-2006, 08:26 AM

Sorry for the lack of formatting. I cannot get the PT hand histories to work with Bisons...any tips on what I need to do to fix? I can't pull up the raw prima hand histories so i am trying to use pt.

Heres the hand and some explanation. Villain is LAA. I feared AK the whole way, but felt he may be playing a weaker ace than me. I think I played it right up until the river which is where I am questioning my call. I probably should have folded to the river bet but felt i needed to call.

This had led to me having a 1 hr session with a net of 0.00

- Dr_Ost sitting in seat 1 with $28.30
- Dryparen sitting in seat 2 with $17.70
- antneye sitting in seat 3 with $26.55
- SuttonChris sitting in seat 4 with $23.73
- kingofying sitting in seat 5 with $18.48
- samcollins sitting in seat 6 with $18.00
- rebba44 sitting in seat 7 with $29.95 [Dealer]
- Witten99 sitting in seat 8 with $12.40
- Pimpette1980 sitting in seat 9 with $4.47
- Jacker69 sitting in seat 10 with $23.80

Witten99 posted the small blind - $0.10
Pimpette1980 posted the big blind - $0.20
** Dealing card to antneye: Queen of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts
Jacker69 folded
Dr_Ost folded
Dryparen folded
antneye raised - $0.80
SuttonChris called - $0.80
kingofying folded
samcollins called - $0.80
rebba44 folded
Witten99 folded
Pimpette1980 folded

** Dealing the flop: 6 of Spades, 4 of Hearts, Ace of Clubs
antneye bet - $1.25
SuttonChris folded
samcollins raised - $2.50
antneye called - $2.50

** Dealing the turn: 8 of Diamonds
antneye bet - $3.00
samcollins called - $3.00

** Dealing the river: 9 of Spades
antneye checked
samcollins bet - $4.00
antneye called - $4.00
samcollins shows: King of Hearts, Ace of Spades
antneye mucks: Queen of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts
samcollins wins $21.40 from the main pot

End of game 715319027

Nimvin · #2 (**permalink**) 03-10-2006, 08:38 AM

With his flat call PF it is hard for me to put him on AK. And since you labeled him a LA (i don't know what the second A is) I gotta think it could be Ax and he might have 2 pair if he plays Ace-rag. I might slow down, but I would probably see the hand through.

Antneye · #3 (**permalink**) 03-10-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nimvin

(i don't know what the second A is)

Sorry...thats my PT rating....L(oose) A(Pre flop) A (Post Flop). I had about 80 hands on this guy...been seeing him a lot this week.

Aces-o-8s · #4 (**permalink**) 03-10-2006, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Antneye

Heres the hand and some explanation. Villain is LAA. I feared AK the whole way, but felt he may be playing a weaker ace than me. I think I played it right up until the river which is where I am questioning my call. I probably should have folded to the river bet but felt i needed to call.

Considering the pre-flop action and that the villian didn't re-raise his A-K, I don't see how you could figure him for anything better than Ax with x being probably no better than T. Most LAA would consider A-T or better to be re-raising hands - by just flat calling, he was being passive pre-flop (and kind of dumb since A-K is a hand that prefers few opps and H2H).

I probably would have re-raised him on the flop and if he came over again, then I would have to figure him for a stronger hand than the flat call pre-flop indicated - like maybe he called with Ace-little and hit aces-over 6 or 4?? Then I'd have to slow down.

Since you called a raise on the flop I was wondering why you lead out on the turn instead of checking into the flop raiser?? Seem to slow him down as he only called you this time - futher indicating (to me at least) you are still ahead! That being the case, I would have lead out on the river as well.
All in all, I don't think your plays were bad but those of the villian were certainly poor and he may have saved you a few dollars. Fold on the river? -no way!!

Antneye · #5 (**permalink**) 03-10-2006, 09:40 AM

Aces.....

thanks for the feedback. Let me clarify my thinking here. (I'm not arguing my play, simply trying to learn where i went wrong, if I did)

I saw his flop raise as his aggressiveness trying to buy him a pot, but I wasn't sure so I just called. I did not want to give up control of the hand on the turn figuring that if he was stealing he would fold here, so I didnt want to check the turn......Maybe a re-raise on the flop would have been a better way of getting this info, but the turn was a harmless card so I tried again.

River: At this point I am certain he has some kind of a hand so I am really just hoping to check it down and turn em over. I figured a bet here is only called if i am beat. I can't be so sure that a bet from him means i am beat because he's agressive and i have shown weakness by checking, so i am calling his bet (combined with my odds to make this decision).

you ay be right about the re-raise on the flop. If it failed I can fold and save a few bucks. I put $7 in on turn and river not countin the $1.70 to call his flop raise. If I had re-raised him up to $4 or $5 on the flop I get off cheaper.

Im curious what others think. This seems like a very vanilla hand, but I am trying very hard to figure out how to lose less on my bad hands.

***And does anyone know how to get the PT hand histories to work with Bison?

ypsieast · #6 (**permalink**) 03-10-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Antneye

***And does anyone know how to get the PT hand histories to work with Bison?

Try this:
File> hand summary (or whatever its called- the damn thing with all the info- im not very technical) The first tab is 'General'. Mid way down click 'show all hands at all blinds'. Then click on AQo. This will give you a list of all your hands played with AQo. Find this particular hand. Double click/check or do something with it and the HH will pop up. Copy this text (highlight/ctl-c). Be sure to include all of it (what you posted includes a lot of it, but its missing the site/table structure etc. that bison needs). Paste (ctl-v) the text in the Bison converter. Hopefully it works.

Warning: I'm going from memory here, and there is a good chance I gave you a very bad description of something that doesn't work. But since noone else has responded, there it is.