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    Poker Expert Antneye's Avatar
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    Default Should I have lost less here?

    Sorry for the lack of formatting. I cannot get the PT hand histories to work with Bisons...any tips on what I need to do to fix? I can't pull up the raw prima hand histories so i am trying to use pt.

    Heres the hand and some explanation. Villain is LAA. I feared AK the whole way, but felt he may be playing a weaker ace than me. I think I played it right up until the river which is where I am questioning my call. I probably should have folded to the river bet but felt i needed to call.


    This had led to me having a 1 hr session with a net of 0.00

    - Dr_Ost sitting in seat 1 with $28.30
    - Dryparen sitting in seat 2 with $17.70
    - antneye sitting in seat 3 with $26.55
    - SuttonChris sitting in seat 4 with $23.73
    - kingofying sitting in seat 5 with $18.48
    - samcollins sitting in seat 6 with $18.00
    - rebba44 sitting in seat 7 with $29.95 [Dealer]
    - Witten99 sitting in seat 8 with $12.40
    - Pimpette1980 sitting in seat 9 with $4.47
    - Jacker69 sitting in seat 10 with $23.80

    Witten99 posted the small blind - $0.10
    Pimpette1980 posted the big blind - $0.20
    ** Dealing card to antneye: Queen of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts
    Jacker69 folded
    Dr_Ost folded
    Dryparen folded
    antneye raised - $0.80
    SuttonChris called - $0.80
    kingofying folded
    samcollins called - $0.80
    rebba44 folded
    Witten99 folded
    Pimpette1980 folded

    ** Dealing the flop: 6 of Spades, 4 of Hearts, Ace of Clubs
    antneye bet - $1.25
    SuttonChris folded
    samcollins raised - $2.50
    antneye called - $2.50

    ** Dealing the turn: 8 of Diamonds
    antneye bet - $3.00
    samcollins called - $3.00

    ** Dealing the river: 9 of Spades
    antneye checked
    samcollins bet - $4.00
    antneye called - $4.00
    samcollins shows: King of Hearts, Ace of Spades
    antneye mucks: Queen of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts
    samcollins wins $21.40 from the main pot

    End of game 715319027

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    With his flat call PF it is hard for me to put him on AK. And since you labeled him a LA (i don't know what the second A is) I gotta think it could be Ax and he might have 2 pair if he plays Ace-rag. I might slow down, but I would probably see the hand through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nimvin
    (i don't know what the second A is)
    Sorry...thats my PT rating....L(oose) A(Pre flop) A (Post Flop). I had about 80 hands on this guy...been seeing him a lot this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antneye
    Heres the hand and some explanation. Villain is LAA. I feared AK the whole way, but felt he may be playing a weaker ace than me. I think I played it right up until the river which is where I am questioning my call. I probably should have folded to the river bet but felt i needed to call.
    Considering the pre-flop action and that the villian didn't re-raise his A-K, I don't see how you could figure him for anything better than Ax with x being probably no better than T. Most LAA would consider A-T or better to be re-raising hands - by just flat calling, he was being passive pre-flop (and kind of dumb since A-K is a hand that prefers few opps and H2H).

    I probably would have re-raised him on the flop and if he came over again, then I would have to figure him for a stronger hand than the flat call pre-flop indicated - like maybe he called with Ace-little and hit aces-over 6 or 4?? Then I'd have to slow down.

    Since you called a raise on the flop I was wondering why you lead out on the turn instead of checking into the flop raiser?? Seem to slow him down as he only called you this time - futher indicating (to me at least) you are still ahead! That being the case, I would have lead out on the river as well.
    All in all, I don't think your plays were bad but those of the villian were certainly poor and he may have saved you a few dollars. Fold on the river? -no way!!

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    Aces.....

    thanks for the feedback. Let me clarify my thinking here. (I'm not arguing my play, simply trying to learn where i went wrong, if I did)

    I saw his flop raise as his aggressiveness trying to buy him a pot, but I wasn't sure so I just called. I did not want to give up control of the hand on the turn figuring that if he was stealing he would fold here, so I didnt want to check the turn......Maybe a re-raise on the flop would have been a better way of getting this info, but the turn was a harmless card so I tried again.

    River: At this point I am certain he has some kind of a hand so I am really just hoping to check it down and turn em over. I figured a bet here is only called if i am beat. I can't be so sure that a bet from him means i am beat because he's agressive and i have shown weakness by checking, so i am calling his bet (combined with my odds to make this decision).

    you ay be right about the re-raise on the flop. If it failed I can fold and save a few bucks. I put $7 in on turn and river not countin the $1.70 to call his flop raise. If I had re-raised him up to $4 or $5 on the flop I get off cheaper.

    Im curious what others think. This seems like a very vanilla hand, but I am trying very hard to figure out how to lose less on my bad hands.

    ***And does anyone know how to get the PT hand histories to work with Bison?
    Last edited by Antneye; 03-10-2006 at 09:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antneye
    ***And does anyone know how to get the PT hand histories to work with Bison?
    Try this:
    File> hand summary (or whatever its called- the damn thing with all the info- im not very technical) The first tab is 'General'. Mid way down click 'show all hands at all blinds'. Then click on AQo. This will give you a list of all your hands played with AQo. Find this particular hand. Double click/check or do something with it and the HH will pop up. Copy this text (highlight/ctl-c). Be sure to include all of it (what you posted includes a lot of it, but its missing the site/table structure etc. that bison needs). Paste (ctl-v) the text in the Bison converter. Hopefully it works.

    Warning: I'm going from memory here, and there is a good chance I gave you a very bad description of something that doesn't work. But since noone else has responded, there it is.

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    http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/ Does Prima.... its in the sticky
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marm
    http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/ Does Prima.... its in the sticky
    But it does a lousy job
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    oh... hadn't tried it yet with prima..
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

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    See my thread about a hand I posted, the second response shows how it converted my hand
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