.50/1.00 NL
I'm on the CO with

UTG (weak, but very agressive PF) around $250
MP1 (no read) around $90
MP2 (calling station) around $100
Me 140$

UTG raise it to 5$
MP1 calls
MP2 calls
I call

Flop

UTG bet $15 (no set here for sure, he would have check, I play him for 2 hours now)
MP1 fold
MP2 call
I raise to $50
UTG thinks and call
MP1 and 2 folds

Turn

UTG checks
I go all in for $80 (iknow I dont have the best hand right now, but i probably have 16 outs if he is on AK... even more for KQ (3As, 4 9s, 2 Ts and lets say 8 hearts) + he might fod AK... I mean I would!!!! I won most of my show donws in the las 2 hours... only reanson i'm not over 200$ is an AA broke by J9.
He thinks hard, and calls

River blank...

He shows AK!

Here goes $140 down the drain.

Do you fold PF? no?
Do you flat call on the flop? I dont think so...?
Do you check behind on turn... well maybe?

Your toughts!

KJ

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Originally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

I check behind on the turn, i think you executed a nice free card play on the flop, and it worked out well on the turn. You dont really have the odds to push here, as you would be winning a $200? pot if he calls and you're putting in 40%; against AK winning only 36% of the time, and 39% of the time against KQ. I geuss if you figure he's folding this a decent number of times, than this could be a profitable play.

CHECK BEHIND! You just fucked up the free card... *sorry im drunk*..... Anything that can call your flop raise can callyour turn bet... you need to check and cehck/fold the river if you miss...

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I dont mind the turn bet. your prolly gunna missy our 16 outs on the river so beting here aginst a non top pair would be nice. unfortunately he had top pair. you chek behin, hell prolly lead the river.

hell of a weak bet by UTG on the flop, so i coulnt think he is as strong as he was.

tough shit.

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Very complex, interesting hand. Thanks for posting it.
PF: loose call, but with position and your reads, I don't mind it
Flop: this is a scary flop for any hand other than AJh. Flush draw, str8 draw and all high ranks. Set, str8, 2 pair and TPTK are all obviously vulnerable.
I would play this 1 of 2 ways:
1) If you were willing to put all your chips in on the turn, you could have pushed on the flop. This would have put the screws to UTG when there was maximum folding equity. If he calls, so be it. You have 2 cards to draw to many outs (worst case he has AJ and you still have 9 outs (and 3 to split). With a board as scary as this one, an overbet isn't too suspicious.
2) Call the flop bet and see another card. You can call a turn bet if you are still getting odds.
With both of these, it is very hard for villain to put you on a hand and he will have difficult decisions.
That said, I don't mind your raise on the flop. I'm split between the push on the turn and taking a free card. I don't mind either, but I think push on flop is more effective.

I'm checking. His call of your raise tells you he has something and you indicated he is weak so he probably would have folded to your raise unless he was committed to the hand.


You threw away the free card that you bought with your raise.

Calling this PF is a no-brainer. 30:1 direct + implied odds!!! Wow.

On the flop, I like your raise. But when a player out of position calls a big raise like this - you should hear alarm bells ringing in your head.

He checks the turn . . . probably waiting for you to fire another salvo at the pot. Or maybe he called on the flop to take this away on the turn or river. Checking here shows weakness, but if we hit on the river who cares (love position). He'll likely call a priced in bet.

But you're not going to blow him off this hand with another bet. When the river misses, you should call any reasonable sized bet, but fold to anything approaching pot sized.

pf play is fine
flop play is good too.. i would have probably played this similar to you.. except i would have checked turn to take the free card

another play would have been to just call the flop.. cuz he could have been holding the made straight in which case ur only 20% to improve ur hand on the turn. also if u just call the flop, chances are villian is going to check to u on the turn and end up giving u a free card.

Thanks for al the advices...

I think I played it OK, but I could have forgot about the AI bet on turn maybe... I was just thinking there was more value in betting it considering I would get nothing from him with a call if I hit the river.

KJ

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Originally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!