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  1. #1
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    Red face Looking for feedback 7 Card Stud Players pls Read

    Hey Mods, I'm not sure if i'm putting this in the right forum, but feel free to redirect it if its not and I won't argue with you! :-)

    I'm just looking for some feedback on 7 Stud. I just started playing it recently, I started with a $25 bankroll on PokerStars, as it has always been my site of choice, especially for stud because there are generally more table's open and if I don't like the dynamics at one table I can hop to another or change limits easily and at any time...

    But anyways. I just played like a 6 Hour session that was really really awful. I was playing limits well above my bankroll.

    As I had said previously I began with a bankroll of $25, I used that to play 7Stud at $.10/$.20, when I doubled my bankroll up I moved to $.25/$.50, and although I realize this is probably playing limits above what is recommended I argue I'm trying to expand my bankroll as quickly as possible until I reach a bankroll big enough to play higher limits and cash out frequently without hindering the size of my available roll....I must mention, I am a college student, and therefore money is not something I have a lot of. I have often thought about depositing my $4K loan from school.... :-) But I'm smart enough not to do that. I'll build my bankroll from scratch, the way I feel it should be done, gaining knowledge and knowledge from played hands.

    So after the $50 mark on my roll I shot for $100, where I moved up to $.50/$1.00. Like I said I know following 100X BB is probably considered underrolled.... I will play with a bankroll of 300X BB when I make it there.

    Now I am up to about $260 and have been multitabling at $1/$2. Usually only two tables at a time. When I took some rough beats and was down $100 earlier I also neglected my own sanity and moved into a $3/$6 room to snatch it back, which fortunately I was able to do so...but won't do again.

    I plan to stay at $1/$2 until I reach $800 or so.

    Please look at the percentages below and tell me if I'm calling down/staying in what seems to be an appropriate amount of the time. This was a very session with a decent number of hands so it is probably a 'reasonable' estimate of the game i've been playing consistently.

    479 Total Hands
    Saw fourth street 187 times (39%)
    Saw fifth street 134 times (27%)
    Saw sixth street 96 times (20%)
    Reached Showdown 55 times (11%)
    Pots Won at Showdown 22 of 55 (45%)
    Pots Won Without Showdown 56

    I did not profit much from this session as a result of some very terrible beats in the early hours. But I grinded back over the top from a substantial deficit and ended up making only a few bucks profit at the end of the day.

    If anyone takes the time to send some feedback, I'd greatly appreciate it. I have fallen in love with 7 Card Stud Hi, and I don't know if I'll ever play Hold'em again.... except maybe for the limelight of a big tourney with my stud profits occassionally.

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    Hey... welcome... good enough as any forum I guess... My first recommendation would be go get PokerTracker Stud. It's currently in Beta release and Free.

    Not much of a 7stud guru, but those %'s look ok.
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    I've not played stud for nearly 20 years - so I'm no expert on the game.

    Looking at your 479 hands my guess is that you've had a very lucky run...

    You're way above bankroll..Your expectations are not realistic - if you carry on pushing the limits my guess is that you will bust out...
    See me playing $10/$20NL like it was play money

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    you seem a little loose on 4th street and you shouldn't be seeing 5th street with roughly 75% of the hands you saw 4th street with. That is a little high. And 45% W%SD is low. My guess is you are a bit of a calling station who has been making his draws

    Without knowing the game dynamics and ante and bring in structure I really can't comment any further than that.
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    39% seeing 4th does seem a very high, what sort of hands are you calling or raising with?

    Personally i don't like to put any money in the pot unless i have:

    *(Probably) the highest pair (usually JavaScript or better). eg.
    *A live pair with a live A or K kicker. e.g.
    *A live pair with a live straight-flush kicker. e.g.

    And you should fold on third if you're fairly sure someone has a higher pair, e.g. if you have JavaScript and someone showing a Q completes and a K raises you should just fold, unless you have an Ace (prefereably suited with on of your JavaScript). If playing these hands you should complete/raise not call, unless lots of ppl have already called in front of you and your raise is unlikely to get them to fold, in this case bet/raise on 4th instead. The lower your pair the more important it is for your cards to be live, Aces and (sometimes) Kings you can play if all the aces or kings are out, you should fold anything else, unless you have a live (pref. suited) ace as your kicker.

    *3 to the flush with no more than 2 of your suit out (unless you have the A and another high card, then maybe play with 3 out), e.g. . If two of your suit are out and your cards are low with little chance of a straight (e.g. ) you should probably fold if raised, as you'll likely be raised on 4th as well, and your draw is very weak. If you have over cards, esp. if you have the highest card showing you should raise rather than call on 3rd.

    *3 to a straight with no more than 1 of you adjacent cards out, and no more than 2 of the top and buttom cards out e.g. if you have and you can see other players holding a Q a K and a 7 you should probably fold. The higher your cards the better, espically if you have over cards to what anyone else is showing. is rarely worth playing unless you can play it cheaply into multi way pot and all your cards are live. A gap straight is playable, as long as you can do so cheaply and none of your gap cards are out, e.g. you have and no tens are out, prefereably it should have something else going for it (i.e. high cards or suited cards).

    *High cards, 3 live high cards (e.g. ) is playable if atleast two of them are higher than any card anyone else is showing. Idealy all your cards should be live, as well as the remaining cards for a broardway straight. If two of them are suited in a live suit, then this is a bonus. If theres a complete and a raise on 3rd then someone probably has a wired high pair and your cards aren't live, so fold. According to PT AKQ is my biggest lossing hand, its not as good as it looks, as you start off behind, and by the time you've made a pair, someone else probably has two pair, so be careful.

    Trips and 3 card straight flushes are pretty much always playable.

    Seeing 5th street with most of these hands is okay without improvement, unless someone else shows alot of strenght (e.g. someone pairs their door card, you suspect they have trips) or alot of the cards you need go to other players. If you hand is good enough to see 4th its usually good enough to see 5th as well, if there isn't too much action. If at 5th you havn't improved your drawing hand (i.e. you still only have 3 to the flush or str8) then fold, the chances of getting running needed cards of 6th and 7th are tiny. If you think your high pair is still highest keep betting, if you think your pair has been beaten fold, unless you already have two pair, all your cards for the fullhouse are live, and there is enough money/players in the pot to give you the odds to chase.


    You seem to be lossing more than half your show downs as well. I can only guess, but it would seem your either bluffing or chasing too much, or both. Its realatively easy to tell when your behind in stud, and if you think your behind you should fold unless you have a strong (live!) draw, e.g. four to a flush. But more than 10% of hands you are dealt going to show down is too high, unless these hands are being checked around, you're either calling or betting out with too many weak hands or weak draws.

    Also its usally best to give ppl credit for the hand they're representing, if someone showing an Ace raises on 3rd and bets on 4th, unless you have a good reason to not believe them (e.g. they raise every time they have an ace, or if you've already accounted for two of the aces (and prefereably they're in your hand), then just fold. Sometimes they might not have the ace, or maybe sometimes they do but don't improve you'll win with two smaller pair, but most of the time the chaser loses. Just pay antention, if someone raises too often (i.e. everytime they have an ace or king) then call them down, or better, let someone else call them down, as theres rarely a shortage of ppl willing. Bluffing is a pretty marginal activity in low limit stud because half the players are complete calling stations. I've lost count of the number times someone has called me down the river with a single small pair and no draw, so i very rarely bluff, theres little need or value. Let the calling stations take money off the bluffers, and you take it off the calling stations.
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    Also, Roy West's book on 7 card stud is pretty good (cheap, short, and easy to follow).
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    Default Thanks for the replies

    Hey, first off, thanks for the replies, they are much appreciated, both constructive and destructive criticism.

    I'll start off with my reply to my likelihood of busting out as mentioned by xxdemexx. I will have you know that I am comfortably playing at $.50/$1 with a bankroll of just over $300 which is, as recommended by most, the appropriate bankroll for the limit. So no worries about going bust for now. I know I was playing underrolled, and trust me, it worried me some. But I wanted to get off the ground, and I've decided $300 is when i should settle and play an appropriate level.

    As for my percentages. The opening hands I was dealt today, would probably definitely indicate that of a 'lucky' run. But its my failure to play them appropriately and throw them away at the right times. I have been making a lot of progress at throwing hands away when I know i'm beat. I have very much recognized the fact that it is usually good to repsect a person who's representing a hand, not betting the river with medium strength hands, not getting involved with a hand which i know is overly vulnerable.

    I had a lot of trouble folding big hand si was dealt like AKA and such on 4th and 5th, hoping for 2 pair, and i've learned usually my aces up are very vulnerable to the many draws and to watch (obviously!) for things to worry about.

    I didn't make that many draws today either. As a note, I wish I did. And I know i have to reduce my # of pots at showdown and increase the percentage of win @ showdown. Some sessions have been different than others, today i had a lot of hands I couldnt throw away. But i'm beginning to learn more about when to do so. And fortunately I have profited well thus far and hope to keep the ball on a steady roll at .50/1.00.

    I will post the stats of my next session and see how it goes. Thanks for the replies. I will keep this post updated hopefully. But right now my bankroll is at $300. I may take a day off now to relax.

    Thanks again for the replies.

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    I have also more to post in reply but don't have time I will post again later.

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