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Old 03-07-2006, 12:09 PM
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The villain in question was really aggressive and seemed to be a pretty solid player. I had seen him take a lot of pots away by playing position aggressively and had reason to believe he was bluffing in several of those hands.



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MP1 ($31.50)
MP2 ($21.80)
MP3 ($24.75)
CO ($24.75)
Button ($4.35)
SB ($25.05)
Hero ($29.05)
UTG ($27.85)
UTG+1 ($9)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.25) , , (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $0.75, Button folds, SB folds.



I thought my 9s might be good at this point and figured I'd put out a probe bet to see where everyone was. I wasn't too concerned about my position at this point because a lot of the table was limping in with marginal hands and folding once there was any action on the flop.



Turn: ($2.75) (2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, MP1 raises to $3.5, Hero raises to $7, MP1 calls $3.50.



Since the villain didn't raise me on the flop, I didn't think he had the A and so I bet out again. Once he raised me here, my first instinct was to fold. But following what I have learned in HOH, I thought about it for a bit. This is exactly how this guy had played the previous hands I was talking about at the top of my post. I put him on a weak pair or a draw and decided to raise him. In hindsight, I probably should have raised more (probably all in.)



River: ($16.75) (2 players)
Hero bets $10, MP1 calls $10.



Since the flush didn't get there, I thought I could push him off his hand with a big bet. He thought about it for awhile and then called.



Final Pot: $36.75

Results in white below:
Hero has 4c 9c (two pair, aces and nines).
MP1 has 2s 9s (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: MP1 wins $18.37. Hero wins $18.37.






After playing some more hands at this table, I realise that this was the wrong opponent to be making this move against. At the time I was playing the hand, I hadn't really seen him showdown a lot of hands. I'd seen him call a lot and then raise on the turn/river to take down the pot uncontested. All that being said, I'm pretty pleased with my reads throughout the hand and, ironically, against a better opponent I probably would have won the hand.

What do you guys think?
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Old 03-07-2006, 02:40 PM
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Anybody?
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well played, he's crazy to call that, too bad the kicker didnt play.
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You really donked it up... I quit reading after you reraised the turn. In fact, you should have given it up after the flop bet, and check/folded from there. You state he is a solid player, so why make such a fish move when you know you are going to get eaten up?

This is $25NL. FPS will kill you. You bet for value, You call for value, You fold for value. You do not make fancy plays to look good.
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What does HOH have to do with NL ring games?
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Old 03-07-2006, 03:38 PM
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You really donked it up... I quit reading after you reraised the turn. In fact, you should have given it up after the flop bet, and check/folded from there. You state he is a solid player, so why make such a fish move when you know you are going to get eaten up?

This is $25NL. FPS will kill you. You bet for value, You call for value, You fold for value. You do not make fancy plays to look good.
FPS?

I realise that I was wrong about the most important read in the whole hand, that being that I could get him to fold his marginal hand, however I'm pleased with every other read I made. He had exactly what I thought he did, weak pair and the flush draw, and he was trying to make a move on me on the turn.
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Old 03-07-2006, 03:39 PM
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you took your shot, however misguided it was, on the turn; check/fold the river
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What does HOH have to do with NL ring games?
It's helping me to properly analyze hands and, more importantly, think before I act. I already had some of the knowledge that HOH provides, pot odds and such, but HOH is really showing me how to apply it properly.
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Old 03-07-2006, 03:52 PM
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So what was the bigger mistake in this hand, the fact that I made the move or the fact that I made it against an opponent that I did not have a correct read on? Because if I put myself in his shoes, theres no way I'm calling the re-raise on the turn or the $10 bet on the river and I think against most opponents, this would have worked.
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Old 03-07-2006, 04:12 PM
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Since you were the aggressor most of the time he really should of folded. Very suprised in his call especially due to the fact his kicker was so weak. I would have put one of the two of you on the Ace. But you say you had a read on him that he was playing kind of a loose style so I guess your re-raise made sense. In hindsight I think it was a great play on your part and a poor ass play on his. Lucky fool =)
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