I looked over my stats from last night. I played 90 hands of O8b .50/1 limit on Paradise.

In those 90 hands, I won just twice - once when I had J999 in the BB and floped a straight, and once when I actually managed to split a small pot with A2. Then I had a bunch of hands where I lost .25 to .50 - either hands I was in the blinds or when I had somthing like A2 but ont counterfitted or had a flop where no low was likely (like the one I folded and would have ended up hitting a runner-runner wheel).

Then I had another handful of hands (4 or 5) where I lost $1 to $1.50 - these seemed to be hands where I flopped some kind a draw that didn't hit.

There were three hands that really cost me. I lost $3 on a hand where I had the 2nd nut flush and lost to the nut, one where I lost $3 chasing the 2nd nut low that never hit. The one that cost me was probably a bad play - I had AA and 666 floped. Unfortunatly one of the other guys had the case 6 to beat me, but the big problem with that had is some third idiot with a lower flull house than mine kept raising - at least I had the sense to only call. I probably should have layed that down on the river though. Even with that one play, though, that only would have saved me $2 or $3 and I STILL would have had a crappy night.

Based on this type of info, is there anything that it looks like I'm doing wrong?

I lost $3 on a hand where I had the 2nd nut flush and lost to the nut, one where I lost $3 chasing the 2nd nut low that never hit

Red flags are finally waving

Omaha law #1 - Suckers chase the 2nd nut, or worse, low draw

Omaha rule #2 - If its possible, someone probably has it. Don't play non-nut flushes and straights unless you have very good reason to suspect noone has you beat

As aggressive as I have become in HE (maniacal some might say) I am an absolute friggin rock at O8b. (like 8%-12% vpip, 3% PFR, aggy's around 1) O8b is a nut game. Or at least the way I play it is...

depending on the flow of the game my VPIP ranges from 12%-15% at tight tables to 25%-30% at loose shorthanded tables, typically I am in the 18-20 range though. My PFR is around 6% but in loose passive games it can be as high as 10%

Originally Posted by Phytopath

What hands are you playing? hands like TJQK and the like are hugely profitable in these games, because when you hit you'll scoop. Also put in raises with your premium low holdings in these games, with 7-8 people to each flop raise A2sxx hands.

and like steve said don't chase non-nut low draws, and most non-nut high draws are asking for trouble too, unless you have some low-backup.

I still have basically no clue what consitutues a raising hand, but I will play any 4 cards ten or higher, A2, A3 with a suited ace or another wheel card. Basically I'm trying to take from the PPLTP starting hands list and from the missive that Beave posted a little bit ago.

In the case of the flush draw, I don't think I was chasing the 2nd nut flush - I think I flopped it (or maybe turned). Is it right to check-fold the 2nd nut flush or 2nd nut low in this type of situation? That just seems really tight, especially in the case of the flush. Even if had layed those down, though, I still would have been a big loser for the night. It seems, at least in
last night's case, that the vast majority of my losses come from limping and totally missing the flop.

(and please correct me) I consider A2 with the other 2 cards beeing coordinated playable from anywhere for just about any price, A2xxs to be a raiser if they are coordinated.

meaning is playable....

while is raisable.....

Just look at how coordinated your hand is to determine it's relative strength. You will end up folding these hands more since there ar fewer flops that will hit them, but when they do hit hit, they have a stronger chance of being nut, hands.

* Note, thisis proba bly all bunk, I jsut woke up and am having trouble seeing straight*

I consider Marms hand to be pushers not pullers. A2 and 2 broadway cards will play very well heads up. A hand like A25T, or even A239, is more of a pulling hand. you're more playing for half the pot so you want more cats in. A2QJ with some suits is a hand I'd rather play heads up but I wouldn't be disappointed to have it in a raised multiway pot.