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    Default Steping up

    Other than bankroll, what criteria do you use for know when it's time to step up in limits? My total bankroll has been doing well lately, but a WHOLE lot of that is due to bonuswhoring more than winning at the tables. What criteria other than BR do you use to know if you're "ready" to take a step up in limits; or is there really not that much of a difference between the individual leves of play and the primary concern is the roll to handle the variances of the higher limit?
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    I think marm wrote something on this recently.

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    Other than "be able to beat the game", Marm's post focuses on bankroll. Maybe what I'm looking for is how can I tell if I can beat the game?
    I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.

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    Well thats kinda the point.... Can you beat the game? Have you been lucky or good? Its a very very vague concept to quantify. If you feel comfortable with your game at your current limit, and the money doesnt scare you at the next limit, and your bank is sufficient, then give it a try. Just play your normal game and learn the adjustments required as you go. If you get thrumped, then step back down to where you can win, and try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marm
    Have you been lucky or good?
    Lol - how about neither?

    I guess my thing is that based on the 200BB rule I'm playing WAY under my roll, but I'm not sure if I should try moving up or not since a lot of that has come through bonuses rather than winning.
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    This is why you need to keep detailed records.

    If your win rate is greater than 1BB/100 than you can move up. A jump to the next limit is not like going from high school to Harvard, more like going from high school to community college. If you are way overrolled than give it a shot, you can always move back down with a sufficient roll for the old level

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    I use PT, so I have a pretty good record of my win rate. 1bb/100 seems awfull low. I get ticked when mine drops below 2, or even 2.5 (not that that never happens!!).

    Over how many hands would you say you need to sustain the 1bb win rate to get an idea that it's not just variance?
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    I think 10,000 is a decent sample size. anything over 50K would be almost set in stone

    If youv are beating your current level for 2BB+/100 and are way overrolled get your ass up to the next level.
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    Lol - I'm stuck where I am forever. For no more than I get to play 10K hands is a LOT of hands!! I'm lucky to get get a few hundred a week, what with family responsibilies and all).
    I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.

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