I Am a very regular poster on the PT forums, and that statement about how little time it took to make really pisses me off. Those guys don't play poekr anymore because of PT, the just don't have the time. They play to test, but nothing else.

You need to think before speaking.

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LOLOL thats actually the funniest statement ive ever heard, its like asking why different brands of bakebeans costs the same to buy at the supermarkets. God its simple supply and demand economics!

Compare Poker Tracker to other software... compare the price to other software. Compare it to a computer game, where you have a team of people working for years, and a computer game can cost half of the price of this software. So if you look at production costs ALONE, it doesnt justify the price.

That was my point.

Also, to the person that said "the reason the prices are so similar is because thats the market price", it's collusion. You suggested it might be $50 to undercut prices and gain market share, why isn't it that then? Why exactly the same. Does nobody find it a huge coincedence?

^^ I cant even justify a response to the intentionally inflamatory and worthless post so this sentence will suffice.

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RECENT SUCCESS: December
4th place $20+2 Stars MTT $1740, 3rd place $15+1.50 Stars MTT $1300

Is this the pot calling the kettle black.. because I find this intentionally inflamatory as well. It wasn't true so I wasn't even going to reply to it, but you just made it relevant.

I don't mean to cause a fight, I just can't see how this isnt exploitation.

Its not. PT was written by ONE GUY. Pat (yes I know him on a first name basis) runs PT as a full time job now. He quit his other jobs to support PT. Not only are you paying for the initial purchase, but you are paying for weekly updates of the software, and for almost instant Customer Support. Pat was interviewed by Forbes a while ago in regards to his superior Customer Support. Ptrack Mike joined the fray later to help Pat write PT Omaha and PT Stud.

And yes, Everybody has lost at least $55 at one point in poker. And yes, when I was playing the .05/.10 LIMIT tables, PT paid for itself within a few weeks.

It's not exploitation. If you dont want to use it, don't buy it. If you don't want to pay for it, Don't buy it. Of course, you can go get yourself a cracked version, but that won't work for more than a month or so before its out of date and won't handle interacting with the sites anymore.

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okay you have got all mucked up, it is in neither of their interests to go into a price war because it will end up with their price being lower(sun and the mirror anyone?). So naturally one of the companies decided to set the price the same as the other. This is not collusion but simply profit maximising - considering that the demand for poker help software is relativly inelastic so dropping the prize would not change demand in the industry by much. Secondly BIG firms benefit from economis of scale they sell way more output where as poker is a specilist area of the market there is not as much demand in the poker industry than in the gaming industry as a whole so firms like pokertracker have to set their prices that high because there average cost per unit produced is higher than say EA games.

You have never lost $55 playing poker?

Here's my issue. Your OP was "Is there any other software out there like PokerTracker?" You got some answers and then you turned your own thread into a complaint about the price eventhough you felt they could charge more and came up with a conspiracy theory of $55 being collusion. Its not collusion. If you're selling the same thing as me we should charge the same price. I could undercut you, but then you would do the same and neither one of us would be happy. The market is big enough for 2 products so the price is reasonable.

You indicated that the program was so easy to write. Go write the program for yourself then and save $55. This whole thread has turned into you whining about the cost of buying PT eventhough you have the skill to easily write your own identical or even improved program.

As for other software programs that cost half the price, its clear that those programs either have significantly more competition OR the demand for such product is less than the supply. We have the opposite situation here.

I don't want to fight either, but since the guys who wrote PT are poker players turned software producers I have a little bit in my heart for them. If you want to shit on their price structure or infantize the level of their software development capabilities just title your next thread, "PokerTracker is overpriced for the time required to develop the software and the simplicity of platform." Then we can have a healthy debate where it belongs.

I'm sure you're a great guy and now you think I'm a complete dick and I assure you you will find this to be contrary the longer you aer a member of PFO. For some reason your post struck a cord with me and it appears a few others as well. I wont speak for them. They will probably call me a dick as well, but I'll live with that because we all do a pretty good job here agreeing to disagree.

Cheers, Decoy!

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4th place $20+2 Stars MTT $1740, 3rd place $15+1.50 Stars MTT $1300

well isn't it collusion then that almost all PS2 and Xbox games come out at $59.95 and $49.95? Computer games too. How about Norton which costs $80 or more if you get their whole collection. And then if you want it to be good for more than 365 days, you have to pay for a subscription. Doesn't that smack of raping the customer? Mcafee does it too so there is your collusion as well. And they have been doing it for longer and for a more serious problem. I want to play better poker; something I like to do. my computers HAVE to be safe so I need antivirus, firewalls, spyware protectors, and various other programs to just be safe.

So yeah i think $55 is fine.

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"I bet how much?!"

It is tacit collusion, which is exploitation... And the largest pot I've ever lost is probably $3. In 4 weeks Ive gone from $50 to $80 playing micro limits (01.-02c), its not worth it for me at the moment. But I do respect your point about support, I didnt know about that. I think for many people it is worth it so Ill admit defeat.. its a good price for the majority of players.

Does anybody know of any cheap alternatives though?