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Old 01-25-2006, 02:09 PM
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alright i've been played at fcp poker for the past week and have played some tournaments. each tourny i do really well, but don't win any big money for one fucking reason... all in situations. I'll get down to about 5 or 4 off the final table go into an all in situation with the best hand and lose then get knocked out. i'm missing out on big money here. the tables are fucking fish.. i read a book and play for the first hour and do just as well, but heres my question are all in plays unavoidable in the late stages. Eather its a 60-40, 50-50% but i'm putting my tounry life on a coin flip and i still need to increase my stack. I don't like the situation of 50-50, but i don't want to be conservative. here one for example.
(I don't like posting bad beats but this one i have to get off my chest)...
i'm in ep with blinds 150/300 i got about 5000 in chips, 30 ppl left outta 130 in tounry and top 10 pay
i raise to 600 every one folds and sum guy with 10 000 calls my raise
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i raise 900 into the pot
he thinks and reraises me to 1800
so i got a pretty good read on him and raise all in
he calls instantly
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river:
WHERE THE JUSTIFICATION IN THIS CALL
if i'm wrong feel free to bash me and another thing i have picked up on if a short stack goes all in with a better hand and a larger stack calls in the later stages of a tourny the larger stack always seem to hit there hand. Maybe this could be to eliminate players faster i don't know...
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Old 01-25-2006, 02:25 PM
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you played the hand terribly and he was a favorite when the money went in.
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You should have cold called the 1800 then pushed all-in on the turn if no spade hits. He's got a 53% chance on the flop, but only a 40% chance on the turn. Granted, that's after the fact, but you sound like you knew he was on a flush draw. The 6 is a bit of a scare card if he were on a straight, but it's a scare card for him too and you were planning on putting all your money in anyway.
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no, he should have raised somewhere between 1200 and all-in PF.

on the flop there is like 7850 in the pot and he only has to call 2600 more, so he is getting 3:1 on his money.

You played the hand poorly dope.
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I don't like the weak raise preflop. Raise 3-5xBB with that... he wouldn't have called most likely and this disaster wouldnt have happened.

What is the justification for the call? The pot is huge and he only has to call a little bit more to see the next two cards.

This is not a bad beat, it's a bad play...by you...

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Old 01-25-2006, 04:29 PM
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i did the math and i knew he was ahead when all the money went in(probabley 60%), but i gotta defend my self.. you gotta look at it from his point of view, i'm sure after he put his money in and saw the cards he felt better about his call, but my reraise should of suggested some strength and at leat an over pair, which if you put me on an overpair and did the math his flush draw would be about 36% chance of winning the hand (3:1).. 1200pf + 2700 after the flop puts the pot at 3900 after his reraise on the flop.. at this point i had 3500 chips left so the final pot woulda been around 7400 and a 3500 bet for him to call which is 2:1 pot odds? Now that i look at the hand i may have played it to passively pf which set up the situation. And making a move on the turn would have bettered my odds, but i didn't nessicarly put him on a flush draw during the hand as much as playing back at me outta position (900 was my standard postflop bet which i always made in position whether i hit or not)...the instant call also suggested he really didn't think the math through eather soo.. i was looking for consructive bashing too, not just that it was a horrible hand... also the above thread was incorrect, he was on the bb which would better explain his call pf and it was checked to me on the flop,then i made the raise on the flop
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Now that I look at it again, I would have probably just folded when he came over the top. You made the minimum raise pre-flop so very likely could have called you with even a weak jack, which puts you at far worse than 47% to win the pot (somewhere around 20% or 25%). Don't get married to AK suited if you miss the flop completely and there's resistance like this. You also should have raised more preflop, but that's already been mentioned to death.
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dope, don't make excuses. Don't criticize his play. Look at how to improve your own.

That is the only way to get better. You begged for this beat. Would have you felt better if he had JT? or A9s?

I have expirience here. I spent a lot of time looking at how badly my opponents played and not enough looking at how badly I played.
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Old 01-25-2006, 05:18 PM
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how would you have played the hand in my situation then beavis? i really want to know so i can look at my game and see where i was wrong, its a tough situation, remeber i'd of only of had 3000 in chips left if i folded to his reraise and would be short stacked. also who check raises top pair weak kicker (j10) with a possible aj kj jj qq kk aa qj or if my pf raise actually represented my strength, a j10 out there ..split at best if he thinks he can out play me there with that hand. i'd potentially be crippled, with table image shot, and a whole shit load of reraise to come next time i enter a pot if i folded there.. and we all know i shoulda raised more pf i'll agree and adjust..
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