Is this disrespectful or poor etiquette?

Everybody knows the sort of player I am talking about here. Someone who buys in with the minimum buy in, is happy to call any raise once they have limped (even if it for 1/3 of their stack with 66 or 78s - implied odds anyone?), and then call any small bets regardless of what they hit.

I now keep myself amused by seeing if I can get into a hand with these players hit a really strong hand like top pair, avergae kicker and then extract all their chips bar 2 cents.

I am now collecting these hands in Poker Tracker, so far I have 5 hands in my collection. If the player actually goes all in for their final 2 cents then it does not count.

After a long day at the virtual tables, pulling of a gem like this to add to my collection can make my day.

I don't know what is more amusing, the fact that they call down with 3rd/no pair or the fact that they actually leave themselves with 2 cents.

Anybody else find this amusing? No? OK...........

You are leaving 1BB on the table. Thats gonna affect your earn rate! Lol. That is pretty funny though.

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short stacking can improve your win rate considerably...

This is a funny one.. There are all sorts of reasons why deep stacking isnt a good idea - especially if you don't know the table.

You have absolute control over implied odds if you are short stack... you reduce rake and can take blinds more easily... Overcards will call your over pair.. its easy to get ppl pot committed beyond what they would usually bet .. multiway pots happen easier - adding tremendous value to AA and KK ..

At mid limits NL you are fighting for the extra few bb/100 - short stacking will do this for you.

I think most people confuse penis size with stack size... trust me- there is a reciprocal relationship between penis, brain and stack size....

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well actually 2 cents is about 1/50 BB - not going to affect my win rate too drasticall.

Deme,

I know you sometimes play shortstacked and I actually agree with you that it is a profitable strategy played correctly. Everyone has a tendency to pay off shortstacks with marginal hands because it's only a few dollars, and nobody ever has odds to try and bust your big hands with cards like 58s.

However, I am sure you would not call a raise for 1/3 your stack on 67s when playing shortstacked, or call down bets with nothing.

Why would you do this on a large stack? Obviously position dependent on the 67s, but I wouldn't do either regardless of my stack size. When is calling down bets with nothing is good idea?

I always short stack, but I play micro limits anyway.. (.25/.50 NL) ... It has multiple benefits for me.

If a player with 100BB makes a 4BB raise and you also have 100BB, you can call the raise on a hand like 66 due to implied odds.

If I found a player who bought in with 100BB and was prepared to call 33BB on 66 then obviously I would ridicule them also. But these players are not as common, probably because their money desn't last very long unless they buy in short stacked.

I am not attcking short stack players in general, just the particular type of player I described.

Yes. When I play shortstacked ($20 min buyin .25/.50) I am only playing premium hands and the blinds, even after I have increased my stack. I've seen many other people come in with $20 and blow it multiple times within 10 minutes. It depends on the other players at the table also, though. If you sit down shortstacked in a room with 5-6 folks who already have $100-$150+ on their stacks (max buyin = $50) then you're going to have a hell of a time not losing every blind you post. Thankfully with sites like pokerstars, there are enough rooms to flip around through until you find one you can enjoy.

The interesting thing with deep stack is the put down..

If you call a 100bb stack making a 4bb raise with 66 and you have 100b) then - you have the implied odds to call.. right..? er...no

If he as AK and he hits top pair is he really going to go all-in for 4bb? - Invariabley the answer is no. Depending on the type of player he is most North American players will put down to a slightly greater than pot sized bet (i.e 10bb) bet if they have top pair (certainly with a 'good' kicker- This does two things

1] It removes your implied odds (because the odds against you tripping AND him hitting top pair are about 1 in 10 ish..
2] If you are one on one why bother even waiting for 66?? - If he's going to put down just hit him anyway.. Alot of 4bb raises and continuation bets are AK.. or are you putting down 66 on the CB? So you need to know your player and the best way to find out is to SS to make it cheap to interrogate him..

Because you are a small stack if you trip you stand a better change of pot commitment from your opponents and multiway pots.

I noticed Goose has taken to short stacking in NL.. as I have.. and of course Hellmouth does it too.. Short stacking is one last 'secrets' of NL - when you've just joined a table you have to do it...

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Doberman: "but Sarge, isn't poker gambling and just luck?"
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without wanting to controversy to this I disagree that SS is a more profitable way to play ring games. Obviousky this must be dependant on style of play but I've found that I have more success buying in for the maximum.

I am so guilty of calling marginal hands to short stackers where I know I would have laid down if the guy had a stack behind him. I sometimes loose respect for the money if I don't respect the cards and its a hole I must fix.

However, how the hell does a Hellmuth caliber player short stack without wearing a disguise? You'd just have to look at him and know it was his strategy, no?

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