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01-22-2006, 06:27 PM
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Stu Ungar
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The Value of Being Suited
Does anybody know exactly how much value is added to a hand if it's suited instead of OS? Anyone have the numbers?
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01-22-2006, 06:30 PM
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it is ~3% to your pot equity.
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01-22-2006, 06:34 PM
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Thought it was 4%?
either way it doesn't add much to your win rate but when you hit a flush you tend to make more money than you would with TPTK hands since you can bet and raise with more confidence
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01-22-2006, 06:45 PM
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Thanks guys.
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01-22-2006, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve-O
Thought it was 4%?
either way it doesn't add much to your win rate but when you hit a flush you tend to make more money than you would with TPTK hands since you can bet and raise with more confidence
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Sklansky says that the flush will win more often against larger groups of opponents, so it will tend to net much larger pots on average. And I thought it was 6%? Maybe I am way off.
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01-22-2006, 07:35 PM
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Besides, going from 20% to 24% is a fairly significant improvement.
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01-22-2006, 09:02 PM
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Besides, going from 20% to 24% is a fairly significant improvement.
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It doesnt seem like much, but it adds up over time to be quite a bit.
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01-22-2006, 11:49 PM
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how about all those times when the pot odds arn't correct and you call your chips away with the draw.
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01-23-2006, 04:00 AM
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Good question ... but are we talking about pot value or improving on getting the best hand.
Many pros state if you wouldn't play the hand unsuited .. don't play it cos its suited.
Yep it gives you more possibilities pre flop on key pocket cards but if the flush hits how much more action are you likely to get from someone say with top pair.
Chasing the flush without pot odds is an example of a poor value bet and you are certainly getting the worst of it... you can call but more likely will be playing for the value of the pot at the time of the call and not for future bets as the action is likely to stop when the flush hits, obviously not every time but can't be a winning proposition over a period.
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01-23-2006, 12:58 PM
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There are lots of hands that I play Becuase they are suited... I rarely play 1 gap small SC's from the SB, but if they are suited.. then I'll play them... KJo from MP is a toss, but if it's suited, I'll play.
The OP isn't about playing them, it's about how suitedness affects equity. And yes, suitedness has a significant affect on Equity. Yes, ~4% is significant.
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