PokerStars Game #3438163397: Tournament #17053949, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2005/12/26 - 04:03:37 (ET)
Table '17053949 7' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: sneakypete71 (11620 in chips)
Seat 2: wmpoker (3497 in chips)
Seat 3: bobbyO369 (3822 in chips)
Seat 4: sputnik1 (3212 in chips)
Seat 5: luisfran (4001 in chips)
Seat 6: Cheecoboy (4625 in chips)
Seat 7: purecpd (4755 in chips)
Seat 8: unipokerstud (2020 in chips)
Seat 9: TommyZ28 (3600 in chips)
purecpd: posts small blind 75
unipokerstud: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to unipokerstud [Ah Jd]
TommyZ28: folds
sneakypete71: folds
wmpoker: folds
bobbyO369: calls 150
sputnik1: folds
luisfran: folds
Cheecoboy: folds
purecpd: calls 75
unipokerstud: raises 1870 to 2020 and is all-in
bobbyO369: raises 1802 to 3822 and is all-in
purecpd: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h 3c 5h]
unipokerstud said, "gg"
*** TURN *** [6h 3c 5h] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [6h 3c 5h 5d] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
unipokerstud: shows [Ah Jd] (a pair of Fives)
bobbyO369: shows [Kc Ks] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
bobbyO369 said, "gg"
bobbyO369 collected 4190 from pot
TommyZ28 said, "later man"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4190 | Rake 0
Board [6h 3c 5h 5d 4d]
Seat 1: sneakypete71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: wmpoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bobbyO369 showed [Kc Ks] and won (4190) with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 4: sputnik1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: luisfran folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Cheecoboy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: purecpd (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: unipokerstud (big blind) showed [Ah Jd] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 9: TommyZ28 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I have no clue why I pushed here at all, and that's what I deserve. A raise of 400 would accomplish the same thing without the risk.

A similar thing happened to me in a single table $20 SNG where it was about the same situation and pushed with A-10 soooted and got called by Queens. And no, I don't suck out, because I don't win very many hands when I'm all-in as the favorite or the underdog it seems anymore.

I also picked a terrible spot today in a 1 dollar turbo on Stars. I had J-10 on the button, tried to steal forgetting the SB was a loose/weak calling station. Flop was 8-2-10 rainbow, I go all in for my remaining 2k in a pot of 3k and get called by A-7 off, and an A on the turn. "Nice hand, sir" :mad:


nu2mdwst2 = homo :mad:

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The push wasn't a bad. Just got unlucky that the BB woke up with KK.

The push was bad, with so many chips theres no need to get in a tangle, just sit back and take it easy. Until your below 1000 chips theres no need to be so aggressive here.

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yeah, wait until you are so short stacked people will call you with anything, and when you doulbe up, you will still be short stacked.

Brilliant Gryff.

He only had 12BBs. No one had shown any strenght.

There is nothing wrong with the move. Pickup an easy 450 most time.

The only way it is bad is if the table had been tight and limping with big hands a lot. You can't just put in a normal raise because he is OOP and the pot will be too big after the flop.

Raising to 450~ is a lot better if you're going to fold to a push.

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Yeah, raise 450

1. build a big pot OOP

2. Fold ti a reraise and leave you self with 10bbs.

Great options.

It all depends on what opponents have been limping with.

Don't piss me off.
I'm warning you.
You have been warned.

Ok, lets raise to 450 here. We're risking 300 chips to win 450. If this works 40% of the time, it becomes immeidately profitable. In situations like this, I really believe it works 40% of the time. Don't forget the times he just calls, and we flop the best hand.

If he reraises, it's ok to fold with 10bb left. If we just pushed, we're going to be losing our stack most of the time when he calls anyways. I dunno, I can see an arugment for pushing, but this doesn't seem like such a terrible play either. A lot of it is read dependent, can this guy have 68s or is it more likely to be TT

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“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann

you think two players will fold 60% of the time for for only 2 more bets getting 2.5:1 on their hands?


I like raising to 600 better than 450. i like to overbet a little OOP.

I don't think a push is "wrong" here unless you the limper only limps with good hands.

It was the reason why I did, there hadn't been any limp-raising going on so I figured I'd just pick the pot. Had I had more chips, I probably would have raised, but if I had raised like 450 I doubt I would have got both limpers to fold (It's the internet, nobody folds anymore.)

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if that was your read than you push was good.

i just did the same thing and ran into a limping AA with JJ.