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12-13-2005, 07:36 PM
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Kill Phil Vol II
Well I have been tinkering with a Kill Phil strategy and here it is
Early stages: With deep stacks and a lot of bad players floating around I think this is the best time to implement the strategy.
Move All-In with AA and KK from anywhere.
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I would also limp with pairs for set value from middle and late position.
When the blinds become 20 times the starting stack, so 25/50 for 1,000 chip start, I would start picking up the pace. You have either not played a hand, not been called on an all-in, or have shown pocket Aces or Kings.
Here is where I start really implementing the strategy by still moving in with AA and KK but also coming over the top of 1 raise with AK, QQ. And coming over the top of limpers with 88+, AQ, AJ from LP or the Blinds. this is a good way to pick up some dead money and if some cowboy wants to call you so be it, you have a pretty strong hand.
Middle Stages: After the first break usually half the field is gone and depending on your stack I would go one of two ways.
With 15BBs or less I would stick with my current Kill Phil strategy from above. If my stack falls below 8BBs I would pretty much go all in with all the hands above from any position but still only come over the top of a raise with 88+, AK, AQ. Below 5BBs I use the entire Kill Phil repertoire of moving in first with suited connectors down to 45, A8+ any pair.
With more than 15BBs I would stick with my strategy but also take some flops from LP with pairs(instead of moving all-in) JJ and down, and suited connectors. I would also just throw away AQ AJ.
Late Stages: here is another time when stack size would dictate the play.
I would pretty much stick with the above strategy but steal more blinds, especially if I have 10BB or less. I would move all in from LP if it is folded to me with any halfway decent hand in an effort to keep my stack at a level where it is dangerous to the other stacks (in my mind this is 5BB+)
Any thoughts?
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Last edited by Steve-O; 12-13-2005 at 07:39 PM.
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12-13-2005, 07:59 PM
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TJ Cloutier & Tom McEvoy present a system similar to this in their book "championship no-limt and pot limit hold'em" however looking back through it I can't seem to find it to save my life.
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12-13-2005, 08:20 PM
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they werent a lot about moving in PF, they were about standard raises PF and then taking it down on the flop.
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12-13-2005, 08:26 PM
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As to this strategy, not sure how I feel about having "systems" for MTTs. Blinds move up so fast online, most tourneys are only 300 hands are so.
may work when the cards are hitting you PF, but will suck when they are not.
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12-13-2005, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Beavis68
they werent a lot about moving in PF, they were about standard raises PF and then taking it down on the flop.
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No I'm pretty sure it was a all-in/fold strategy. Basically this rich guy wanted his gf/mistress/wife/whatever to play and she had never played before thus giving her a simple strategy to play knowing nothing about the game. IIRC she did pretty well until late in the first day when she ran up against aces. It only covered a page or two at the most, that's why I'm having trouble locating it in the book.
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xcrunman02: yeah only I can do that, i don't need some gook trying to get with my life partner
Bean181818: i've been faithful
xcrunman02: me too
Bean181818: peck tried to get all this but i told him this was all taken, all of it!
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12-14-2005, 03:23 AM
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No I'm pretty sure it was a all-in/fold strategy. Basically this rich guy wanted his gf/mistress/wife/whatever to play and she had never played before thus giving her a simple strategy to play knowing nothing about the game. IIRC she did pretty well until late in the first day when she ran up against aces. It only covered a page or two at the most, that's why I'm having trouble locating it in the book.
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It was a casino owners daughter and it was in tournament poker for advanced players. :-]
( and the event was wsop ).
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12-14-2005, 06:35 AM
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It was a casino owners daughter and it was in tournament poker for advanced players. :-]
( and the event was wsop ).
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I was close enough....do you remember what page that was on? I can't find it to save my life.
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12-14-2005, 08:48 AM
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Are you looking in the right book.
Check the index for "the System" or "system"
and yeah, from Steve-O's description and other stuff I have read Kill Phill is a more thorough adaptation of "the system"
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12-14-2005, 08:57 AM
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Don't have the book at hand, but beavis is correct, its somewhere in the latter portion of the book I think.
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12-14-2005, 10:25 AM
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Steve - Looks good. Here's my thoughts:
1. Early: Limp with suited connectors and only play big hands.
2. Early: Limp with any pair from any position. If raised and can cap, call if total pot odds (expressed + implied) is greater than or equal to 8.
3. Mid stages: Start stealing the blinds about 1.2-1.5 times per orbit in the middle stages. Against a tight table, steal more. Against a loose table, steal less.
4. Mid stages: Make a re-steal (reraise) if our hand is 66+, ATs+, KQ. Against a tight player, lower our resteal hand requirements. Against a loose player, tighten our resteal hand requirements.
Also, you could throw in some stuff about big stack strategy.
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