I've become a rock!!!

Pok 7's · #1 (**permalink**) 12-09-2005, 09:27 AM

And I'm not at all happy about it. I wan't from a SLAA player to a TPP recently.. the simple answer is obviously become more aggressive you would say. Raise more, bet more, which I have done in the past lately though it's been coming around to turn on me. I'm losing my buy-ins on ring games fairly often and what winning sessions I may have aren't making up for the losses. Bottom line is I'm stuck, need a little advice and a head check.
Here's a brief history for those who haven't heard my story, I threw $55 into Stars played almost 40 SnG's with it till I was down to to about $5 threw another 50 in played a few more SNGs got down to about 35 and decided SNG's maybe weren't my thing, started playing penny rings to build. After about 10K hands I made it back to even +/- 10 bucks with a BB/100 in the 22-23 range. 4500 hands later my BB/100 is down to 14 (at one point I was down 1500BB just between QQ,KK, and AA staring hands) so I decide to take a shot at .05/.10 for about 1500 hands so far (I know I'm under rolled but I decided to take a shot) for a while because the play seemed a little tighter and the BR up to about 120. I'm still going nowhere for about 6K hands I'm going nowhere and I tightened up too much and am playing weak (which I don't understand how if I'm pushing my hands enough to keep losing buy ins).
So what do you guys suggest I know it's not like we're talking big $ and it's not that I can't add some $ to my BR if I bust. I just figure why keep doing it if I can't make anything out of with what's in there now (especially seeing as how a large portion of the people on here have taken similar amounts or less and turned it into thousands). Fire away guys I'm open to ideas

Marm · #2 (**permalink**) 12-09-2005, 02:15 PM

Post PT stats if you got them.......

Try LImit..... and be more aggressive... kinda vague question without more detail.. sorry....

Aces-o-8s · #3 (**permalink**) 12-09-2005, 02:44 PM

NL rings takes a lot of discipline - more so than Limit simply because you can lose in one hand that what took the last 100 to build!
Limit requires a little less discipline but it IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAME. It takes time to learn the differences and to start making money at it. I know plenty of NL players who really struggle at Limit mostly because they can't adjust game strategy or get used to the idea its more of a drawing game than NL. I find it easier to go to a NL game (mostly tournaments) than to come back to Limit. It takes a few rounds to re-adjust my game back to a Limit mentality.
In your case, a NL player, maybe you need to re-evaluate where you're putting your stack on the line (all-ins) as obviously if you're a TPA, hand selection shouldn't be the problem. In serious ring games - according to Harrington anyway - 'all-ins' are not that common among good players and are usually a sign they really would prefer you go away than call their marginal hands. Maybe in you games 'all-in' means I've got a monster, let's gamble!
Anyway - post a few hands and let's see what your game play/style is like. Oh ya, I checked my PT stats - out of 2448 players only 14 are Rocks and only 7 are in the money - against me anyway!

Pok 7's · #4 (**permalink**) 12-09-2005, 02:45 PM

Actually I was playing some limit earlier kinda nice when you don't get hammered if someone catches a miracle card for a suck out, and I was kicking ass with a BB/100 19 (but a small sample size)gonna play some more this weekend and I'll try posting some stats after the weekend I don't have them on the machine I'm on now. What is the best to post just the stats in the general tab?

Aces I have 2 that I posted in my "stone cold nuts" thread that I played last night, which kinda pissed me off because that's the type of losses that cost me my buy-in. I look back on some of my sessions and say "Yeah dumb call on my part" and I'm fine with that but like anything else and everone has them there's alot of suckouts the last 5-6K hands and like you mentioned 1 few bad sessions can dump anything you've built up in no time.

Aces-o-8s · #5 (**permalink**) 12-09-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pok 7's

Aces I have 2 that I posted in my "stone cold nuts" thread that I played last night, which kinda pissed me off because that's the type of losses that cost me my buy-in.

OK, I remember reading them - didn't post anything as most of my thoughts were already posted by someone else.
All-in-all, these are fairly common beats and I can't believe you're not winning more of these hands than you are losing! This may simply be a short term slump!
I notice, your stack is usually kind of short and so a 'standard' turn or river bet is putting you all-in not because you're taking the ultimate stand but because that's all you got anyway! In the old days - seems like a very long time ago now but it's only about a year - when I played small stakes NL ring games, keeping a short stack was a game strategy that I used to keep from losing too much in a single hand. Anytime I got 3x my original buy-in, I would leave the table and come back at the original amount with the other 2x left in the bank. Only on a few occations did I wish I had more chips and ofcourse running short of chips with more in the bank is kind of a poker-sin! But at those times when I found myself with either going all-in or calling all-in, having only a portion of my bankroll at risk was comforting. You might want to try this if you're not already. My usualy buy-in - I still use it for Limit - is
2x minium and I top up anytime I get down to minium. So if $10 is minimum, I buy-in with $20 and top up if it gets below $10. In Limit I don't bother running off to the bank if I'm up 3x or more but when I played NL, once I got up to $60, I was out the door and came back with only $20 again.

Pok 7's · #6 (**permalink**) 12-09-2005, 04:43 PM

I usually buy in halfway between the min and max buy in. Maybe I'll play a few thousand hands of limit for a while when people are gonna play a hand till the river no matter what I'd rather it cost me a bet as opposed to my stack. Never really played alot of limit, who knows maybe it's my game and I just haven't found out yet

Hey does anyone know if you can set the autorate rules on PT at different rules for different games? In other words the rules I have now are designed more towards NL. I have the guidelines that Marm posted here can I separate the guidelines to be Marm's rules to rate my limit hands and also keep the NL rules the way they are for my NL games?

Aces-o-8s · #7 (**permalink**) 12-09-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pok 7's

I usually buy in halfway between the min and max buy in. Maybe I'll play a few thousand hands of limit for a while when people are gonna play a hand till the river no matter what I'd rather it cost me a bet as opposed to my stack. Never really played alot of limit, who knows maybe it's my game and I just haven't found out yet

Hey does anyone know if you can set the autorate rules on PT at different rules for different games? In other words the rules I have now are designed more towards NL. I have the guidelines that Marm posted here can I separate the guidelines to be Marm's rules to rate my limit hands and also keep the NL rules the way they are for my NL games?

Just start another data base. I'm pretty sure you can have more than one set of autorate rules - just make sure its named different and select which one you want for default. when you change databases, just re-select which rules you want for it.

Don't think you can just step into Limit and start winning. As I said before, it takes a different strategy and getting use to a much higher level of a drawing game - lots of suckouts in Limit. If you have Ed Millers Small Stakes Hold'em re-read it - if you don't have it - get it!