I have been playing tournies, but I recently tried a ring game because the tournies take too long, and I had alot of fun and made some money. So now I'm considering being a ring player who plays tournies occasionally.

Anyways back to the title...obviously these are tourny books, but do you think most of the knowledge from these books could be applied to ring games? I happen know I'm getting both books for Christmas, and ahh, Santa doesn't know I made the switch from tourny to ring yet.

I think Harrington's books should help with ring games too. I've never played in a tournament (not 21 yet) but I've read his books and I think they've improved my game.

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be carefull with the advise on calling everything when the odds are good ie completing sb with 92o in a 4 way. Cash you dont need to pull any moves. Also if your playing low stakes like .25-.5nl there is no need to "mix it up" interms of betting pattern. Hoh preaches it b/c he plays in $10kMTT with smart oppnents. (thats just my lazy side talking on last part). maybe betting 4bb instead of 3bb will trick them, but i doubt it. THe rest of sng and mtt strat. is vary good for ring imo.

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the main difference about ring games and tournament is that chip stack is not a aspect of the game anymore.. so everything u do, every move u make has to be for value.. everytime u make a bet, a raise, a re-raise.. ask yourself? would this be something that would be profitable for me in the long run?

also in ring games u want to only play top notch cards, that is pocket pairs, AK AQ AJ A10 KQ KJ QJ... this way whenever u flop a pair, most likely it will be top pair! only play suited connectors if u know what u are doing, otherwise it will just be very costly for you in the long run.. and if u do play suited connectors i advise only 67s and up..

also, only bet the pot when u flop top pair or better... unless of course if u have middle pair and everyone checks it to you and the board isn't scary (but im sure u kno this already)..

also another tip for ring games: if a guy bets the potsize on the flop, it usually means he has TP or better.. so dont waste ur time playing bottom or middle pair when someone bets the pot before u do!

also keep in mind that at low limit holdem (5/10c 10/25c) limping in with pocket pairs 22 - tens, can be very profitable for you.. cuz chances are if u hit a set and someone hits top pair then u can pretty much win a shitload of money if the guy cant fold his TPTK