What should be done here?

cherokeekiddd · #1 (**permalink**) 11-09-2005, 10:33 PM

I was playing in a $120 weekly tourney at a local casino at which i play 4 out of five of their weekly tourneys. I was involved in a hand that played like this guy in front of bb raises to 250(50/100) i am three seats in front of him with A10 clubs i call the raise everyone else folds so we are heads up flop comes K10K this guy him haws around asks me how many chips i have left and the dealer tells him $700 he him haws around some more then checks to me now this player and i play alot in these same tourneys so i know he does not have a K so i push he now him haws around some more when the guy next to him on the right tells him he folded a k6. well with this knowledge he now calls me with his pocket aces and wins. I get up after losing and go find a floor person tell them of this and their reply was wouldnt have changed the outcome of the hand, my rebutal was yes it would have because he hadnt called me until he found out this knowledge. Which knowing this player and the math 650/pot 700 to call i knew he wouldnt call because he didnt know if i had a K that is why he checked.
How many times would you make that call?
now the floor tells me since i got up from the table to go and get them there was nothing could be done. I ask what would have happened had i stayed at the table i was told the guy who told his folded cards would receive a ten minute penalty. now i dont know but this could come in usefull in taking out players unethical absolutely dosent cost you any chips to eliminate a player given the same scenario. anyways i believe that the guy should be eliminated from the tourney not just a ten minute break. second i think given my history with the casino and the circumstance i should receive a freeroll in next weeks tourney what are your thoughts?

PJ of TheGame · #2 (**permalink**) 11-09-2005, 11:03 PM

Yes, he should be penalized for discussing the hand during play.

Your casino should have rules against that... the same ones as against collusion would work. Problem is... it isn't going to help YOU any.

TexArcher · #3 (**permalink**) 11-10-2005, 10:13 AM

He should absolutely be penalized, and for longer than 10 minutes. Tossing him from the tournament is a bit extreme though. I'd say sit him out for an hour with a warning that he will be removed from the tournament if he does it again.

But there's really no guarantee that villain would've folded AA there. Your all-in raise was essentially a pot sized bet, a solid player with a deep stack is calling that every time.

Steve-O · #4 (**permalink**) 11-10-2005, 10:31 AM

Sorry fellas, but first offense here is usually a 10 minute penalty. no more no less. Happened in the WSOP this year when Sheikhan slammed the table after he saw the flop when he folded preflop.

Girevik · #5 (**permalink**) 11-10-2005, 10:44 AM

True, but Shekian's offense was less severe, IMO. All he was representing that he would have hit the flop - sure, we (as his opponents) can ASSUME he would have hit the A, but it could just as likely have been bottom set. To actually announce your hand is a bigger deal to me.

Steve-O · #6 (**permalink**) 11-10-2005, 02:51 PM

Severity of offense is a judgement call and therefor will not come into play. Kind of like saying motherfucker is a worse offense than asshole

gder03 · #7 (**permalink**) 11-10-2005, 03:14 PM

its bull shit imo. what if your in a cash game and sitting out 10 minutes dosnt mean shit?

10 minutes is a travesty. Colussion is what it is. ideots how know nothing about ettiquet. furthermore your casino saying "it wouldnt effect the hand"? that is another load of shit.

Aces-o-8s · #8 (**permalink**) 11-10-2005, 04:13 PM

It would never happen but I think the loud mouth should have been made to cover the loss to the kidd. Bet he'd learn to keep his mouth shut in the future!

Marm · #9 (**permalink**) 11-10-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gder03

its bull shit imo. what if your in a cash game and sitting out 10 minutes dosnt mean shit? .

Its a tournament, time penalties can get enforced, and the have affects. In a cash game, its up to the floor to deal with it, and after a couple offenses, they will just get kicked out, hopefully.

But the loser has NO recourse here, who is to say that the guy was not going to make that call anyways??? Nobody, so the action must stand as is.