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Old 08-04-2005, 05:09 PM
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I am getting so much slack from the retards around me telling me "you'll never make it in poker", you are throwing your life away yadayaya.

Without them ever taking into account the level of intelligence of the person they are talking to (me) and the amount of dedication I have to this game, enough to find out the ins and out of it that I will safely not set myself up for failure.

I mean what are they so afraid of? Are these people the lemmings that they are that afraid of life and taking risk that they are afraid for me? I mean I am not even afraid to take the plunge into poker seriously at one point.

why? because what they fail to understand is, I am not going to be dumb enough to put all my eggs in one basket, I do have a back up plan (involve getting my bachelors in finance), I know enough and study the game everyday, so I am not just out there playing "hoping" to get good, but I am taking the necassary steps to ensure I evolve as a player. That I examine all the pit falls others make to ensure I don't make them myself along the way in this whole poker ordeal. That I am minimizing as much risk as I can for when I do decide to take the plung.

And even though they don't know ANY of this, they STILL open their mouths and throw their .02 cents in. What has happened to people's spirit. I mean look at our country, it wouldn't be here if people didn't take risk and listen to those who told them "you won't be able to do it" the british will find you all and execute you! Don't go away and try to start your own country are you mad!

Boy just think if we would of listened to them. What has happened everyone has gotten comfortable, these comfort zones are robbing them of their livelihood that they say "well I had a dream I wanted to live out but since I have this nice comfty office job, I guess I'll do this instead since it pays the bills and provides for my family." Whatever happen to personal happiness? Did we trade it in for comfort?

There's no risk in comfort and I guess the rewards of that is being able to pay the bills... I guess that's what life has amounted to.

That makes me very sad for them.
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:29 PM
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What has happened to people's spirit. I mean look at our country, it wouldn't be here if people didn't take risk and listen to those who told them "you won't be able to do it" the british will find you all and execute you! Don't go away and try to start your own country are you mad!

actually your country wouldnt be there if it wasnt for us (irish) going over there and building it block by block

on a more somewhat serious note, and i hope im not gonna suffer more of ur wrath by saying this, but is this not just an extension of ur previous thread where, imo, u argued a decent enough case that u have the raw talent to make it as a pro in future years and that there are loads of people out there that wont listen and give u a chance to explain ur side of what ur planning?

maybe its just me but its starting to look like ur getting carried away a little on this one and u might need to sit down, take a deep breath,throw some stuff off ur desk and swear at the walls.
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:32 PM
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for one thing, a lot of people don't understand poker at all. they don't understand that it isn't just another way of gambling, and that your cards aren't everything. they often don't realize how important skill is to the game. they therefore see you in much the same light as someone who plans to make a living from roulette; you may be lucky and win for a while, but inevitably you'll end up down if you keep playing long enough. one of the biggest problems with the image of poker is that people construe it as pure gambling and luck instead of a game that require skill and practice. from reading one of your other posts, it didn't sound like the people who have talked to you realize that poker isn't played against the house and, while casinos do make money off of it, they're not your opponent. the people who think the worst of poker are usually those who know the least about it.

i don't think society today really encourages risk taking, and seeing you decide to pursue this dream is probably frightening the people you talk to, just because they see that you could be taking a surer and less foreign (to them) path and be fine. they don't see that you feel the need to try this and that you wouldn't be content with a normal job in an office or whatever right now.

looking on the bright side of things, at least you clearly have a lot of people who care about you, because if they didn't, they wouldn't bother to warn you of the risks they see in your future. best of luck to you and hang in there, they mean well.
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:41 PM
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fuck them?

i just avoid it altogether and tell people i have no job. it saves a lot of time and shit like you said

if people even start talking about poker i wont even say anything about it and just let them talk also

its way +ev to ignore them and not talk about it at all imo
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actually your country wouldnt be there if it wasnt for us (irish) going over there and building it block by block

on a more somewhat serious note, and i hope im not gonna suffer more of ur wrath by saying this, but is this not just an extension of ur previous thread where, imo, u argued a decent enough case that u have the raw talent to make it as a pro in future years and that there are loads of people out there that wont listen and give u a chance to explain ur side of what ur planning?

maybe its just me but its starting to look like ur getting carried away a little on this one and u might need to sit down, take a deep breath,throw some stuff off ur desk and swear at the walls.

You are right I do need to calm down. I am just passionate about life, and when I see other's not seeing it for what it is, and how they don't care that they aren't living their to it's potiential by not being afraid to take calculated risks during it, it makes me mad. We only live once.
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u sound calmer already and i bet those cups u threw at the wall werent even expensive
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for one thing, a lot of people don't understand poker at all. they don't understand that it isn't just another way of gambling, and that your cards aren't everything. they often don't realize how important skill is to the game. they therefore see you in much the same light as someone who plans to make a living from roulette; you may be lucky and win for a while, but inevitably you'll end up down if you keep playing long enough. one of the biggest problems with the image of poker is that people construe it as pure gambling and luck instead of a game that require skill and practice. from reading one of your other posts, it didn't sound like the people who have talked to you realize that poker isn't played against the house and, while casinos do make money off of it, they're not your opponent. the people who think the worst of poker are usually those who know the least about it.

i don't think society today really encourages risk taking, and seeing you decide to pursue this dream is probably frightening the people you talk to, just because they see that you could be taking a surer and less foreign (to them) path and be fine. they don't see that you feel the need to try this and that you wouldn't be content with a normal job in an office or whatever right now.

looking on the bright side of things, at least you clearly have a lot of people who care about you, because if they didn't, they wouldn't bother to warn you of the risks they see in your future. best of luck to you and hang in there, they mean well.


Thanks for your words they make tons of sense. I am into psychology a lot and it amazes me that when people think of something they know nothing about then they hear someone taking an interest in that they automatically go through this thought process:

What? That's not normal, that's uncertain, well they will fail because it isn't certain.

I read an article on another forum about winning and it presented this perfectly hold on while I find it, it was great and I would like to share it with you guys:

-The Winning Edge: Getting and Keeping It -

Back in 1959 a man by the name of Walter Tevis wrote the finest book on sport motivation yet to be printed. Now, it's not so surprising that a person might endeavor to write on the subject of competitive motivation. Nor is it surprising that the book might get published. What is surprising is that the man was an English teacher and he wrote about the game of Pool! That's right, the fifteen ball back alley smoky room variety.

Walter Tevis did not write just any book about pool though. He wrote about the highest possible levels of the game, the games where the players don't miss; The games where vast amounts of money ride on the most difficult of shots; The games where control was the most important factor. Control, physical and mental. Walter Tevis wrote a book called "The Hustler". It became a movie and was nominated for academy awards for the fine performances of Paul Newman, Jackie Gleason and George C. Scott.

Undoubtedly, the reader is asking what a pool player could have to do with poker? What does a novel have to do with real life? What could an English teacher show me about teaching poker? Bear with me, while I try to explain. The pertinent point of the story centered around the inability of the lead character, Fast Eddie, to maintain a winning attitude. It fell to the Hairy Legs (pool room parlance for what might be considered today's coach) Burt, to educate Eddie on the finer points of winning. Burt had to teach Eddie that winning, in-and-of itself, is easy. The person who prepares properly wins! It's that simple. What is not so simple is overcoming the desire to lose. Who on earth would want to lose? Everybody wants to lose! The question is, why?

When you get down to it losing is the way to go. When you lose you get a lot of extra attention. The loser doesn't stand out, he doesn't have any pressure or responsibilities. He just has to go out and lose a match, probably would have lost anyway, right? So why bother? On the other hand, to win and keep on winning you have to work, you have to maintain your concentration. You have to accept responsibility. After all the winner has the responsibility of setting an example by which the loser lives vicariously.

Everybody consoles the loser. Everybody lets him know that they know just how he feels. Everybody tries to make him feel better. What they are doing is letting the loser know that he is one of them, that he belongs. Isn't that one of our deepest and most basic needs, to belong? So why mess it up by all that fuss about winning? Just go out and make it look good. But not too good, don't forget, the other guy is trying to lose too.

Winners are treated differently! The winner is congratulated, put on a pedestal, kept at a distance. After all a winner is different. Common participants don't know how to relate to the winner. They resent the fact that the winner has the unmitigated gall to be better, to strive for a higher level, to disturb the calm surface of every day mediocrity. But then, we can't treat the Winners too harshly! Who are we going to get to defeat the losers? Where else can we get our vicarious thrills? The Winner serves his purpose, so keep him around. Still, deep inside, there is the spark of greatness, the will to win is in all of us. The problem is overcoming the fear of breaking away from the loser's syndrome.

Burt tried to explain this to Eddie in simple terms. Tried to impress on Eddie that the most difficult opponent is yourself! Yes, yourself! Every time you realize that you are beginning to pull away from the loser's attitude there is a moment of panic. A moment when you realize that to stay on course will be a step in the direction of losing the approval of the other losers, a step in the direction of becoming an individual.

Fortunately these moments are easily recognized. They come hard on the heels of a compliment from a spectator or another player. It's the moment when someone says to you "nice move" or "good play" and you say to yourself "yes it was". At this point a little voice lets you know that you've gone far enough! You've impressed the other losers, don't carry things too far. Everybody knows you're good, if they think you're too good you can't be one of them. This is the enemy! The voice of mediocrity is imploring you to stay with the fold. It's warm and safe here, there's no need to risk your nice safe position. This is the voice that the winner must silence time and again.

Because we're third party observers to Fast Eddie's thoughts we could see these things going on. We see the struggle and the pitfalls but wonder if this is applicable to ourselves. When you stop and think about it, there's not a player or coach who can't recall an incident that meets these circumstances. At some time or other each one of us has had the upper hand and backed off. Perhaps you didn't realize what had happened or why but Burt knew and he made Eddie a winner by making Eddie understand.

Applying this to poker is the same as applying it to pool. We need to understand that the normal tendency is to lose. After-all winning is hard work with dubious rewards.

If winning is, indeed, foreign, then our objective should not be to win. We need to learn to concentrate on specific objectives. Work to accomplish a certain goal. Cut the variables to a minimum by working toward small advantages. Keep your objectives in mind! If you are occupied with specific goals it is difficult to be distracted by the voice of mediocrity.

Above all, you must accept that it is right to strive to fulfill your potential! Remember, no one else will ever know if you back off at the crucial moment. No one, that is, except you and the other losers, and that's what they want.
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I have to say that i ended up pretty lucky as far as my family goes, i grew up around a family full of poker players and gamblers. 90% support what i do but there is still that 10% mainly my mother who calls me all the time telling me i need to find an "honest" job. The best way i have handled it was to not even talk about poker around those types of people. Most of my friends don't even know that i do this for a living. They all thought i went out to vegas to work at the Casinos. Take everything that you here negative with a grain of salt. Most people would be jealous with the fact that you can do this for a living. That is if they would just shut up for 2 seconds and listen to what it is that you really do.

Just RELAX play a couple 100 hands and remember that you don't have to get up the next day and go to a 9-5 job like the rest of the world.
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i think you're using +EV a little loosely.

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