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08-01-2005, 10:10 PM
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Question on poker rules???????????????
I have a Texas Holdem home game that I host every week and last night a player grabbed his chips and put them into the absolute middle of the table as if to call the big blind (But he never took his hands off the chips), I thought he had taken his hand off the chips so got ahead of myself and immediately raised all in, he tried to pull the money out of the pot (His arguement is that he never said call or took his hands off the chips even though they were in the middle of the table) what would the ruling at a regulated poker tournamnet?, can he pull back chips that were put in the middle of the table because he never let go of the chips?
Thanks for the replies,
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08-01-2005, 10:24 PM
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First off, thts called splashing the pot, and in my game, gets you shot. Your money stays in a nice little pile in fron of each players so taht everybody knows who put what in.
Secondly, any Forward movement of the chips, past the "counting area" (usually a couple inches in freont of each player) is considered a binding act. ANYTHING else is a angle shot and is considered very rude. He can keep his hands on those chips until they rot, he made an all-in bet.
Likewise, any obvious forward motion towards the middle of the table with a stack of chips in your hand to get a reaction from another player, is usually considered binding. Checking up and pulling the chip sback is also considered rude, and usually requires the dealers/floors ruling on it.
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08-01-2005, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Marm
First off, thts called splashing the pot, and in my game, gets you shot. Your money stays in a nice little pile in fron of each players so taht everybody knows who put what in.
Secondly, any Forward movement of the chips, past the "counting area" (usually a couple inches in freont of each player) is considered a binding act. ANYTHING else is a angle shot and is considered very rude. He can keep his hands on those chips until they rot, he made an all-in bet.
Likewise, any obvious forward motion towards the middle of the table with a stack of chips in your hand to get a reaction from another player, is usually considered binding. Checking up and pulling the chip sback is also considered rude, and usually requires the dealers/floors ruling on it.
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i use my gun chimp to shoot anyone who splashes the pot

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08-01-2005, 11:58 PM
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In my home game there is always a guy who grabs a whole stack of chips to call blinds and bets with. I like to act fast when it is my turn and several times I have acted before he has taken his hand off the chips. He always argues that he hasn't taken his hand off the chips therefore he hasn't called the bet. I disagree with him because he has his chips in the middle of the table and you don't motion your chips towards the pot unless your going to call the bet. I find it very rude when people act this way.
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08-02-2005, 08:21 AM
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08-02-2005, 09:06 AM
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This isn't chess. It makes not difference if you take your hands off the chips or not - if you move your chips into the betting area, you've commited those chips. Some tables even have a line on them that indicates how far you can go with them.
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08-02-2005, 11:26 AM
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This is a fine line so I have an extension question. What if, for example, I grab a 20 stack of 1s to call a 2 bet carry the whole stack past the line in the air, and start setting chips down? I know if it is declared, it is whatever I said, but what if it isn't?
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08-02-2005, 11:28 AM
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a lot of players do this, you have to call but since you didn't declare anything you can bring back the other 18 chips.
However this is a real grey area
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08-02-2005, 12:41 PM
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Actually
If a player carries say a 20 stack of 5's ($100) past the line and drops one chip and pulls the rest back any player in the hand can make that player responsible for all of the chips that the player carried past the black betting line. Once your chips cross that line whether they are in your hand or on the table you are responsible for those chips and if a player says something you have to put that whole stack in the middle, like it was said above and forward movement past the betting line is taken as action unless it is declared before hand what the player is going to do.
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08-02-2005, 12:44 PM
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yes, but in NL declarations are binding and since bet amounts vary this is not an upheld rule.
In limit it is more likely to be upheld but still rarely done
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