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    Default 50%+ VP%IP players can be a nightmare

    This hand is looking like a fold given the insta call from MP2 and insta shove from CO. Insta-fold against TAGs and Rocks but can you lay it down against 2 maniacs???. When it came back to me I looked at it as being a fold or shove. I shoved.

    Poker Stars - $1.00+0.10 Tournament (#431010251) - Blinds: 15/30 No Limit Hold'em (9 players)
    Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

    SB: t2,970
    BB: t3,395
    UTG: t2,760
    UTG+1: t6,040
    MP: t995
    MP+1 Hero: t5,450
    MP+2: t5,290
    CO: t1,630
    BTN: t2,970

    Pre-flop: (t45) Hero is MP+1 and dealt
    3 folds, Hero raises to t120, MP+2 calls t120, CO calls t120, 2 folds, BB calls t90

    Flop: (t495) (4 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets t500, MP+2 raises to t1,500, CO raises to t1,510 (All-in), BB folds, Hero raises to t5,330 (All-in), MP+2 calls t3,670 (All-in), Hero returned t160

    Turn: (t12,345) (3 players)

    River: (t12,345) (3 players)

    Final Pot: t12,345

    Showdown:
    Hero shows (two pair, jacks and nines)
    MP+2 shows (a full house, threes full of nines)
    CO shows (a set of nines)
    Outcome: MP+2 wins t7,320
    Outcome: MP+2 wins t5,025
    Last edited by I'mRooted; 07-25-2011 at 03:46 AM.

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    We want the -EV calls. We win more % of the time.

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    2 Maniacs? Yeah, I'm calling. Note that we really only have to win against MP2 to gain chips. If we had a TP type hand I'd like this much less as we would have blockers to TP. We could also be up against combo draws, which is 'okay' since we're flipping. Even if we lose here a fair amount, just remember it's okay not to win every hand.

    A high VPIP alone doesn't indicate maniacs, high PFR and postflop aggression are really what makes a maniac a maniac.
    Last edited by KnightofNarg; 07-25-2011 at 06:45 AM.

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    I installed holdem manager and its all jibberish to me.

    Sounds like youre speaking Holdem Manager now

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    Speaking of Holdem Manager

    I wonder what it says about me that makes people 3bet and stone cold bluff me a lot.

    Seem to be forced into life and death decisions a lot.

    I flopped s set and he shoved with a pair .. Then AQ I raised 4xbb .. shoved back at with A 10 by a medium stack ... flopped a straight and reraised back and forth to all in agaisnt a 2nd pair.

    Has truly got me stuffed but something is telling people to bet me off the pots.

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    VPIP = % of hands they voluntarily put money in preflop
    PFR = % of hands they raise preflop
    AFQ = % of the time they are aggressive postflop

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'mRooted View Post
    Speaking of Holdem Manager

    I wonder what it says about me that makes people 3bet and stone cold bluff me a lot.
    I dunno, you could always post your stats.

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    If I knew how I would

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    VPIP 23% PFR 10% 3bet 3% Aggression Flop 30% Turn 22% River 17%

    No idea what the others are and how important

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    This driving me nuts ... raised KQs ... reraised back folded .. raised AQ suited someone shoved back at me with A5 off .. flopped a 5 of course .. was set to make it to the $5.50 bubble too .. and now KQs beat my AJ .. all but dead now

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