Would you call here?

**I'mRooted** · 07-19-2011

Was a funny end at the river.

Poker Stars - $1.29+0.21 Tournament (#416782747) - Blinds: 10/20 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: t1,460
BB: t1,400
UTG: t1,720
UTG+1: t3,050
MP: t1,500
MP+1: t1,420
CO: t1,490
BTN Hero: t1,460

Pre-flop: (t30) Hero is BTN and dealt

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:
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t20, 3 folds, Hero calls t20, SB raises to t40, BB calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, Hero calls t20

Flop: (t160)

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: (4 players)
SB bets t40, BB calls t40, UTG+1 raises to t3,010 (All-in), Hero calls t1,420 (All-in), 2 folds, UTG+1 returned t1,590

Turn: (t3,080)

:

: (2 players)

River: (t3,080)

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: (2 players)

*** SHOW DOWN ***
iamdesai: shows [9c 8h] (four of a kind, Sevens)
I'm Rooted: shows [8c Ac] (four of a kind, Sevens - Ace kicker)
I'm Rooted collected 3080 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3080 | Rake 0
Board [8d 7d 7s 7c 7h]
Seat 1: wigidiwinx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: viktorpov folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: I'm Rooted (button) showed [8c Ac] and won (3080) with four of a kind, Sevens
Seat 4: Rockhughie (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: YURIY DUMA (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: the ice87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: iamdesai showed [9c 8h] and lost with four of a kind, Sevens
Seat 9: ProProPro969 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

He was an all-in maniac having doubled up with A rag just before

**KnightofNarg** · 07-20-2011

Being that he's an allin maniac, I would call, otherwise it's a fold.

The break even point of a call is "Bet / (Bet + Pot)".
-Pot here is 1660. 160(Flop) + 40(Bet) + 40(Bet) + 1420(His effective bet against you)
-The bet is 1420 (The amount of the the bet can call)
1420/(1660+1420) --> 1420(3280) --> 43.9%

So you must win 43.9% to be break even from a cEV standpoint. In a tournament, cEV doesn't quite equal $ev due to ICM, but it's close enough if you're not at the bubble. As the saying goes "The amount of chips you lose in a tournament are worth more than the amount you win".

**I'mRooted** · 07-20-2011

The break even point calculation is outa my league. I'm much more general in that I weigh up roughly what its going to cost me and given my read on my opponent is it a good idea to fold or call.

And normally I would fold and think "damn it they've hit trips".

Though I find these flops more difficult to play when I'm sitting on an over pair.

**Jarr3tt88** · 07-20-2011

I woudln't have called there. Its different for everyone. I wouldn't wanna bust on a bad read, very possible for them having a 7 for being that aggressive. I'd let them have my 40 and wait for a better spot.

**I'mRooted** · 07-20-2011

I do that pre flop now. Folded KK preflop to an early shove with cheap blinds just not wanting to risk my chips

**KnightofNarg** · 07-20-2011

Originally Posted by I'mRooted

I do that pre flop now. Folded KK preflop to an early shove with cheap blinds just not wanting to risk my chips

Fold KK preflop? Insanity!

Sorry, I WAY overcomplicated the calculating thing. Here's a different example...
Say you're calling a bet of $1, and the final pot will be $3. That means you need to win at least 1/3 of the time to win.

**Ipokergood** · 07-20-2011

Originally Posted by I'mRooted

I do that pre flop now. Folded KK preflop to an early shove with cheap blinds just not wanting to risk my chips

**I'mRooted** · 07-20-2011

Well I have been beaten out a couple of times and its the end of the tournament.

**FlopPokerMonster** · 07-24-2011

1st post

preflop, nevermind.

post flop, does a 7 shove here?

(YES, 5% of the time(1 in 20), they...) Or not.

preflop, all actions seem play$, $0.01 poker. Min it.

jup

The way u played, you never fold here, which, jup Nice read.

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