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    Default Pot-Committed in a critical hand...

    Last friday $200+30 nl hold em +$3000 added

    Blinds 400/800 ante 100

    action folds around to middle position, he pops it 2.5x to 2000, i smooth call from the button with AdQd and the big blind calls as well.
    pot-7300
    Flop comes Kd 8c 3h. BB checks to initial raiser who in turn to checks to me. The pot is nearly 75% of the starting stack and I feel it could keep my momentum going to take it with a position bet. I cut out 4500 and make the bet.

    BB folds pretty quick, initial raiser tanks, then shoves all-in for 6425 on top of my bet. I go into the tank but eventually come to the conclusion that theirs too much in the pot to fold and that he might think im making a move so hes making a move back. plus i may have overs so I deliberate and then called:

    villain exposes: QQ
    Me: AdQd

    I was dominated! needed the magic greenstein ace on the river but alas, blank blank. cut my stack in half and lost a race 10/10 vs KQ a level later.

    I think I should have checked the flop having only put in 2.5x the bb pre and blanking the flop. Aggression backfires when mistimed. Wish the dude thought I had a king geez! What do you think? Thoughts suggestions?

    Thanks! -Choif
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    Here we go..

    1) Lose the giant font... stick to the normal size black and white
    2) Raise preflop on the button, and force the raiser and anyone else in the hand to define their hand ranges... if they raise you back then fold...
    3) Betting there isn't a good idea with the king out there... just check and fold... too many times one of the two other people in the hand have a king or a mid to high pocket pair... maybe even a set... many players often get themselves pot committed with AK and AQ because they don't know when to let them go... and then use the fact that they were pot committed as an excuse to stay in the hand....
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    Stack sizes are pretty important here.

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    My stack preflop was around 25k, his was about 13k. thanks for the replies, guys. yeah, i turned this mid tournament hand into a critical hand when I should have just gotten out post flop. I dont like 3 betting with AQ suited. lesson learned tho : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choifington View Post
    I dont like 3 betting with AQ suited.
    goes back to the first rule of hold'em... if you aren't comfortable with raising preflop, you probably shouldnt be in the hand in the first place... AQs on the button is definitely a reraise with an MP raise..
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    Yup, Id probably only bet middle pair, JJ 1010 QQ there anyways..
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    I think I'd rather flat preflop AQs as it has great postflop playability, and we're in position.
    3betting pre is fine too, especially if you don't like postflop play, but 3betting to any decent amount is going to commit us based on stacks sizes.

    On the flop I'd check behind since we can improve often on the turn.

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    Here's an excercise... What hands do you flat on the button? What hands do you raise on a K83r board?

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    Yeah, I like to flat call there with position and see if the hand develops favorably for me. I shoulda checked the flop, but was too damn tempted to steal the pot. Got me into trouble to say the least.
    I would have flat called with AK too, which knowing his hand now, would have been the correct play I believe. AK AQ nothing but big drawing hands anyways, right? I woulda flatted with a hand like JK suited, KQ, a smaller pocket pair or even a mid range suited connector.

    Thanks for the feedback man

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    Okay, seems like 22-JJ,AK,AQ,KQ,KJs,QJs,JTs,T9s which feels too wide for the situation, you're going to bleed away chips calling with a lot of these. Small-Mid pocket pairs need about 15x the initial amount you call to set mine and play profitably. Suited Connectors I think need about 25x and a fair amount of fold equity and a decent amount of understanding of your opponent.

    What do think MP is raising preflop, and what do you think BB call behind with? (and what do you think about them in general?)

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