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    Question Is a straight-flush the "nut flush"?

    I have recently entered into a bet with a longtime friend and regular player for $1000.00 which I was hoping you could help me out on. The bet arose from a hand that played out which ended with one player holding an ace high flush and another a straight flush. The player with the ace high flush announced “nut flush” at the end of the hand and the other player then revealed the straight-flush winning the hand. I cannot recall or not if the straight-flush was the nut straight flush or not but it shouldn’t matter either way. The issue that came out of this particular hand was whether the player with the ace-high was incorrect in announcing he had the “nut flush” due to the fact that he was beat by a straight flush. My position on this is that there is a clear difference between having the “nut flush” and having the “nut straight-flush” or any straight flush for that matter. I believe that each hand category has a “nut”. Such as the “nut straight” or “nut full-house” and that the “nut flush” is simply the highest possible hand in that category. This bet has been going on now for over a month without either of us conceding. I have had numerous local players agree with my opinion and he has few that agree with him. According to his logic the “nut flush” could also be a royal flush which I believe is just ridiculous. A flush is five cards of the same suit that are not in sequential order. Therefore the “nut flush” would be the highest possible hand under than context. A straight flush is five cards of the same suit that are also sequential. I believe that by announcing a straight-flush as a “nut flush” is misleading and would be borderline slow-rolling in most circles and I would like to have some opinion's on the topic. Thanks for your help with this. I’m looking forward to finally ending this bet either way.

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    from my understanding the Ace high flush is indeed the "nut" flush , however it was beaten by a "different category" as u put it ... a straight flush..a flush is also beaten by a full house (another different category), so rounding up : in terms of flush draws ... the ace high is the nuts ....

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    The nut flush is the unbeatable flush. Most of the time, an ace-high flush is unbeatable (i.e. the cards on the board aren't connectable). In your scenario the straight flush was the nut flush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soccer1 View Post
    The nut flush is the unbeatable flush. Most of the time, an ace-high flush is unbeatable (i.e. the cards on the board aren't connectable). In your scenario the straight flush was the nut flush.
    I must disagree , (respectfully of course) lol , the nut flush by definitionis ace high , is this instance the nut flush was beaten by a bigger rankedhand altogether viz.. straight flush ..... similarly could've been beaten byfull house ... imo of course .. :-)

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    quick question if the straight flush were indeed the nut flush , wot would you call it if it were beaten by a bigger straight flush ? barring the royal flush of course.... ha ha ha it seems it wouldn't be the nut flush after all .... wink

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    I still think the bigger story here is the ranking of hands1.royal flush2.straight flush3.full house4.flushby this simple method we see the nut flush(ace high) is only a 4th ranked hand , and is beaten by 3 other levels , however it still is the nut flush ....yes ?

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    Nut flush would mean the ace-high flush. You wouldn't say nut flush for a straight flush, you would simply say straight flush or "the nuts" if it was indeed the best hand possible on the given board. A flush and a straight flush are two totally different things, you can't say a SF is a "better flush" than a normal one. That's like saying quads are the nut two-pair or something. And ninja, you missed quads in your list... Royal / Str8 Flush / quads / FH / flush etc.
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    A streight flush is not the nut flush. It may be the "nuts" but not the nut flush. A royal flush is the nut streight flush however, and there is very little reason for it to be considered a different class of hand.

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    In this scenario, the player who announced "nut flush", obviously meant the ae high flush. Howver, the "nut's" was the straight flush as we found out.
    Personally, I think that the straight flush IS the nut flush, as nut's describes unbeatable, and if there was a chance at there being a straight flush, the ace high flush would be in jepardy. The straight flush in this hand would be the nuts if no other combination of cards could beat it, and in my opinion would be the "nut flush".
    Straight flush or not, I still call it the nut flush, so long as you turn it up at the same time, rather than as a slowroll for anyone holding the ace high flush.

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    yeah silly me how could I forget the beloved quads ! ha ha ha , after seeing it this weekend playing a home game (luckily folding preflop)
    88j came on the flop , 8 on the turn and 10 on the river , 3 people left in the pot and some betting around 10bb taken place ....
    and on of the ppl turned over 82 !

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