Was checking this out from another forum....

http://www.poker-edge.com/index.php

Anyone use it ?

Hi Hol,
looks like a PT derived product.They might have got PT and simply observed 30 tables at a go (possible) for a few weeks. I even heard that ppl were buying PT databases at one point.

They have a lot of players logged BUT, so have I, and very few of them last a week so the dataset probably isn't that useful.

Before you get someones game down I reckon you need 200 hands and ppl don't last this long!! Another problem is that they rarely show the winning hand so you can't get too much of a handle.

At the lower limits then you're best to think 'fish' all the time. At the higher limits you really know whose bets to respect-if you don't know... then move down. Maniacs are self evident.

Looking through the site I also see some errors in analysis. "aggression > 2 = bluffer" - I get postf aggression (NL) of 3 (peaking at 4.5 on turn).. I do bluff sometimes but it would wrong to catagorise me as systematic bluffer and it would cause me a great deal of fun if you did so.

I'd be interested to hear if anyones used it... AND what figures it has for me ..one of my aliases id xxdemexx - the other aliases are secret

PT still seems to be the best option I think.

I tend to agree

TY for responding.

Hello Everyone,
I am the founder of PE, and I thought i'd make an appearance to clarify some things and answer any questions.

First off, our product does not use PT in any way. We have our own database engine and client software that was created from the ground up. We are collecting data on hundreds of thousands of hands 24hrs/day, so it is much more than a personal PT database. We have many hundreds of gigabytes of hand history data compiled into our database.

xxdemexx: "Before you get someones game down I reckon you need 200 hands.."

This is precisely why PE was created! When you sit down at a random poker table, PE will most likely have at least a few hundred hands tracked on a majority of your opponents. Depending on the limit you play at, PE will often have thousands of hands tracked for 80-90% of the players.

"At the lower limits then you're best to think 'fish' all the time. At the higher limits you really know whose bets to respect-if you don't know... "

I think you would be quite surprised!! With PE running, you can quickly scan the tables and see how many good and bad players are at each table. You will be very surprised to see how many super tight players there are at 1/2, 2/4 and 3/6. And how many loose players there are at 10/20 and 15/30! My point is that our database is concrete proof that there are plenty of tight and loose players at ALL limits. Thus, game selection becomes all the more important. At 2/4, if you pick a random table, there's a good chance that it will have 5 very tight players (VPIP<18) and only 1 or 2 loose players (VPIP>33). However, if you open up 4 tables there's a good chance one of these tables will have 4+ loose players. PE will allow you to quickly identify which tables are the good ones, thus giving you the best chance to make the most profit.

xxdemexx: "Looking through the site I also see some errors in analysis. "aggression > 2 = bluffer" - I get postf aggression (NL) of 3 (peaking at 4.5 on turn).. I do bluff sometimes but it would wrong to catagorise me as systematic bluffer and it would cause me a great deal of fun if you did so."

I believe the page you are referring to is this one:
http://www.poker-edge.com/stats.php

This is where I state: "I like to consider players above 2.0 to be clear-cut aggressive and players below 1.0 to be clear-cut passive. Remember - aggressive players are much more likely to be bluffing or semi-bluffing when betting and raising."

I never meant to say that aggression>2 means a big bluffer. I was simply stating that more aggressive means more likely to be bluffing or semi bluffing. For example, if a player with aggression<1 raises or bets, you can almost be certain he has a strong hand. But a player with an aggression>3 has the *capability* to be bluffing or semi bluffing. Also, I was referring to limit stats with those numbers. The Aggression numbers for NL shuould be slightly higher.

Thanks for reading this far. I just felt obligated to clear up a few points. I'd also be happy to answer any questions you may have. In case you disagree with some of my points above about the number of tight/loose players at all limits.. I suggest you take our 3-day free trial and see for yourself. Just opening up some random tables at various limits and looking at the distribution of tight/loose players will show what I am talking about.

Jason (PE Founder)

Originally Posted by PokerEdge

xxdemexx: "Looking through the site I also see some errors in analysis. "aggression > 2 = bluffer" - I get postf aggression (NL) of 3 (peaking at 4.5 on turn).. I do bluff sometimes but it would wrong to catagorise me as systematic bluffer and it would cause me a great deal of fun if you did so."

I believe the page you are referring to is this one:
http://www.poker-edge.com/stats.php

This is where I state: "I like to consider players above 2.0 to be clear-cut aggressive and players below 1.0 to be clear-cut passive. Remember - aggressive players are much more likely to be bluffing or semi-bluffing when betting and raising."

I never meant to say that aggression>2 means a big bluffer. I was simply stating that more aggressive means more likely to be bluffing or semi bluffing. For example, if a player with aggression<1 raises or bets, you can almost be certain he has a strong hand. But a player with an aggression>3 has the *capability* to be bluffing or semi bluffing. Also, I was referring to limit stats with those numbers. The Aggression numbers for NL shuould be slightly higher.

OK explain this then, I have an Aggression factor of 3.1, and I almost NEVER bluff. Go figure... Sure hope everybody else signs up for this then, here comes the action!

Ty for responding.

I agree that table selection is very important. I've worked on ways to select PP tables in the absence of flop entry. It can be done but I found table character changes very rapidly. PPL leave, your play itself, if your any good, tightens even the fishiest of environments - in the end for the low limits (0.5/1 and below) I gave up -even with PT.

The main advantage of PT is analysing your own game.

I don't know if PE scans all of Party at the same time.I think technically this is very difficult (you can only have 4 tables open) any scanning software of this nature would be useful.

I guess with your emphasis on VP/IP this is mostly a limit tool. What would be useful (for NL) is analysis of amount bet (volume). I have yet to see this done. In NL pot averages, flop entries really tell us little about the texture of a table. Limit,for matematical reasons lends itself to long term averages. In NL a whole nights work takes place over three hands.


It's an interesting product... I haven't tested fully it so can't comment other from the web page.

But TY for the reply and incidently what does it say about me ?

Just curious... how many hands is that for?