I was playing a live cash game last night and a situation came up that i need to know the official rules on. Anyways, i have A7s on the button, put in a small raise, and me and the blinds see the flop.

Flop is 1072, blinds check to me, i make a medium size bet, small blinds folds, big blinds calls. Turn is a jack (board 2 7 10 J), and we both check.

River is another jack (board 2 7 10 J J), and the blinds all the sudden makes a smallish bet. I have been playing with him for well over a year now, and know he is very spontanious. Anyways, i call.

He then says "nh, take it down." As i'm raking in the pot, i show him my hand. He then says "oh you only had a 7, i have pocket nines."

So here is my question? Because he said take it down, doesn't this officialy mean he mucked his hand. Or was this just a case of being slowrolled, in which he would be entitled to the pot. I don't really want critique on how i played the hand, just want to know the ruling on it.

Hum, I don't know the rule, but he did say : " take it down". He did not even show his hand when he said take it down. YOu called him and he did not show the first. Keep the pot.

very grey area.

on one hand he never mucked, on the other declarations are binding. I think the deciding factor is he never flipped his hand where he is the first to show, as long as he still has his hand he can turn it over and cards speak.

I would say if it happened in a cardroom he would get the pot though. you shouldn't have showed him your hand and this whole thing would be avoided. let him muck and then you muck as well.

In a home game he should have given you the pot, but if I was the floor manager in a cardroom I would award this pot to your opponent, and remind you to protect your hand, don't assume you have won the pot until all hands are folded and the hand is over.

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I find your response in this thread shallow, and pedantic...

Well, Stev is right, but where were the chips when he showed the nines? If some of them were already in your stack or close enough to it that you could argue that you couldn't be sure of the exact pot size since it may have mixed with your stack, then its yours. Otherwise its his.

Couple of reasons why you never fold when you can check, you always turn up your cards when your bet is called, and other such little things that can cost youa pot.

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It's funny to think that Online poker is probably less complicated, less chance to get stole, or confusion like this situation, when Online poker is believe (by popular belief) dangerous.

If he still has his cards in his hand/protected his hand is still live. Take it down is not binding, is it close to an angle shoot? Yes. Is the pot his? Yes.

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“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann

I like the idea of Marm to quickly take the chip and begin to stack them !

Question to Steve-O/Alex/other B&M players: If the dealer pushes the pot to the wrong player, and he has stacked some of it, what is the procedure?

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“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann

no offense intended but you have never played in a cardroom. DECLARATIONS ARE VERY BINDING. If you say "up she goes" you are going to be forced to raise. Take it down MEANS you win, but because this player never mucked he can flip his cards and say I have such and such or i'm not sure what i have. In this case I believe cards speak overrules his declaration.

A very good reason to 1) protect your hand til you are the absolute winner, and 2) to not unecassarilly show your cards.

typically, they will reconstruct the hand with all the betting and give the correct player the appropriate chips from the other player.

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I find your response in this thread shallow, and pedantic...