Qxs the most powerful hand in holdem

Beavis68 · #1 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 02:12 PM

I used to joke about this after seeing and hearing so many stories about this hand both on-line and IRL.

I would like to see some stats on this have from the masses.

I am negative on QQ, but I am positive on Qxs.

Steve-O · #2 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 02:26 PM

Q2s-Q8s VPIP 3% BB/hand -.04. i've played Q8s 5 times and somehoe Q3s once??? other than that I have a 0 VPIP with these hands.

QQ is +1.31 BB/hand for me

Beavis68 · #3 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 02:58 PM

QQ 11 times, 27% win rate and -2.3BB/hand

A few horrible suck outs QQ vs QJ, QQ vs K2 in a raised Kill pot - one hand today where I could have saved 1BB but the pots was so damn big.

Funny and fishy, Q2s-QTs, VPIP 35%, and I have W$WSF of 45.6% over 58 hands. +.5BB/hand

Marm · #4 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 03:13 PM

OK Qxs (Q2s-QTs) VPIP of 13.5, musta been Sb's that were family pots, played only for flush potential, -.11/hand loser over 265 times dealt

QQ 46 times, +3.63 BB/hand winner. VPIP of 93.5%, wondering what times I didnt put in.....

Beavis68 · #5 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 03:22 PM

you should be able to see when you folded it, maybe you limped from the BB.

Irexes · #6 (**permalink**) 03-09-2005, 02:02 PM

This is tourneys,

QTs-Q2s VPIP 14.7% 75 occurances to date.

I lose 0.09 BigBets a hand with them

(I did find one min raise from mid position with Q5s which I am at a loss to explain. I folded post-flop.)

No magic Qxs for me

Marm · #7 (**permalink**) 03-09-2005, 02:11 PM

ANother nifty thing I have just found from PT. This is oimething I should have known, but apparently I was ignoring it. I am serverly overplaying Axs (A2s-A9s) Would you believe mey average VPIP is 86% on the hands! Yikes! Luckily my W$SD is 50% so my Loss rate is only -.17/hand. I betcha by tightening up with these hands I can extract about a 1bb /100 increase in win rate.

I am beginning to thin k of PT like a wind tunnel. YOu build what you think is a fast and effiecient race car, but once you get it in the wind tunnel, you see where there are a lot fo flaws. A little Bondo and a Ballpean, your sailing.

EDIT: Just found the same thing with small pairs (22-77). Almost Identical numbers. Im even noticing I'm overplaying them PF with too many raises. Could be steals, but I doubt it.

Irexes · #8 (**permalink**) 03-09-2005, 02:28 PM

64.2% VPIP for A9s-A2s for me.

0.02BB per hand loss.

59.0% VPIP for 77-22 at 0.1BB per hand win.

I <3 Poker Tracker.

Beavis68 · #9 (**permalink**) 03-09-2005, 03:16 PM

A2s-A9s - VPIP is 57% +.26BB/hand, not bad eh?

K2s-K9s - 36% VPIP, .15BB/hand although I negative dollar wize because of different blinds.

Suited connectors 23s-AKs are killing me, -.31/hand