http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?page=view&hand=40159

eh. he had flush....... too bad i didnt hit i was 40% to hit on river. prob call there only has to be good 1/3

Of course if you don't bet the turn, you probably spend less than or around $16 to see his cards.

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Wait a minute.

You the King while the Ace and Queen were on the board. You don't think he has AK, AQ, or 33 here?

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i dno hearts i guess... i wish i woulda called

yeah Alex I'm thinking AK, AQ, KQ, 33 maybe JTs, and possibly a slowplayed AA.

in most of these scenarios I'm a huge favorite or have around 17 outs. the only hand that kills me is the AA.

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I find your response in this thread shallow, and pedantic...

my money is on JT.. not sure it even was even suited.. Mostly at that level
(i.e a fish) a made flush would drop on the turn..I think he was testing if you had the flush and protectng against the possibility of a one card flush rivering him..

good put down...

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See me playing $10/$20NL like it was play money

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...405&q=xxdemexx

Doberman: "but Sarge, isn't poker gambling and just luck?"
Sgt. Bilko:" not the way I play it"

Deme?!!!
Your money's on JT? Good lay down?

If you put him on JT, isn't that a bad call on the turn? If you're gonna laydown, why not check or bet less? This doesn't make sense.

Why doesn't his opponent have AK, AQ, 33, or KQ?

And if the fish are biting so much and Jack hi flush and JT is calling $1.25, why not raise more or why raise at all? I don't have a problem with your fold if you don't call the raise on the turn.

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AK odds are against it (Four kings out)
AQ: Heavy preflop raise from JK would kill off QQ once the King fell (JK could have AK)
KQ: Very long odds.. Many would protect KQ with the flush threat at the flop

33: possible..but again I would expect something less passive at the flop because of the poss' flush

I think the guys drawing - flush/str8 and the size of the bet on the River says call me... JK announced nothing less than AK preflop - so this guy isnt scared of being called by two pair/trips..

Let's get the guy! ask him

I've got nothing on FELTFIGHTER on PT.. anyones guess..

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See me playing $10/$20NL like it was play money

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...405&q=xxdemexx

Doberman: "but Sarge, isn't poker gambling and just luck?"
Sgt. Bilko:" not the way I play it"

First, the players at that level are fish and then they're:

1.) Smart to not call with AQ preflop.
2.) Smart enough to not call with second button.
3.) Smart enough to protect their set against a flush draw on the flop
4.) Able to put a player on a AA, KK, or AK PF (but still play the hand?).
5.) Smart enough to not think his two pair is best if he has AQ even though the only hands he could beat are JJ and AJ.
6.) Smart enough to think that his AK would be beat with the big three on the board after a strong player raised PF.
7.) Smart enough to see JKoff as a strong player.

I could see where you were coming from if you weren't mixing and mismatching your logic. Is the guy a fish or not? We don't know. But my original question wasn't answered.

If laying down on the river was a good laydown, then shouldn't his bet on the turn be criticized for being to high as he could received adequate information from a $6 bet?

Shouldn't his turn call be criticized after that bet? His call on the turn is only good if he feels that he has the best hand and his opponent will only pay him off if he calls rather than re-raising all in. Otherwise, that bet on the turn is horrible or the bet on the flop was horribly low..

More times than not you have the best hand here. You knew where the 3 big hearts were which is why I like your flop bet and why I like your turn call. I think you re-raise all in on the river because you've showed a weak, fishy, can't lay down my hand RIGHT NOW that will induce the same bet on the river. With the call many would receive the message that the pot was theirs with 2-4off.

But he's gonna pay you off. I do agree, Deme. Villian would bet bigger with nothing, but Villian has a lot of reason to believe that his AK, AQ, or 33 is best. I'm leaning more toward 33- maybe AK and he's not layin' it down. Because most of the time, you're gonna be best here, CALLING the $15 to win $55 isn't bad either. You have to have the worst hand 4 out of 5 times in spots like this for a call to be -EV.

I started the thread on being pot-committed. With you knowing where the 3 big hearts are, as much as you're throwing into the pot thinking you're beat, you have to make these calls on the river. If you're looking for information on the turn and not betting for value, $8 is too much.

Laying down the best hand IS bad when all of the evidence points to you having the best hand more times than not.

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no way i can fold the turn. i liked the $8 bet. 1) for value 2) blocking bet, so he cant bluff me out on turn 3) info.

call $8 to win $40 with 40% to hit and a good chance im good lol? you want me to fold for $8?

he played his hand like hears why are you guys putting him on another hand