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Old 03-05-2005, 12:27 PM
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Default JKo Hand 4: KQ UTG+1- Flop 2 pair and get raised

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prob played it wrong on flop. i thought either JT or 77.
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I hate the limp PF, I'm just folding, and I think you have the push the flop after his raise, 77 is possible, but I think JT is more likely
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calling preflop was a mistake and is what left you guessing after the flop, just muck that cheese from up front
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whats wrong with KQ? KQ is up $52 for 21k hands at mostly NL25
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so KQ makes you about what $.10 every time you have it? and what are the #s in EP?
I'm sorry. That was a good one, Steve.
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i dont play KQo all the time. table specific and shit. sample size isnt enough so i dno. i think its ev+ though. even if barely, its still ev+
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KQo in EP is a raise or fold move. You can't limp it. If you really want to play it, then PLAY it.

WTF is with the total passiveness Post Flop I see in all your hands? You're Nutaphobic! You are always afraid somebody has the nuts. You got Top Two Pair, 6 way that pimped PF. YOU ARE AHEAD. You should have reraised on the flop. Worst case scenario i see here is a chop. Hes not calling a sizable reraise with JT.

Brunson's latest book may be wacked, but his first one (and probably still in the second one) had a goods point. Pick up a bunch of small pots, those will cover your losses on the ones you have to get away from, but you will get paid on the big ones. At least thats how I have interpreted his words.
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I don't like the PF play. I never and I mean NEVER limp UTG or UTG+1 unless the periodical times when I have Aces and choose to slowplay them, but that's not in question. If someone played 24off in EP and flopped 3-5-T, I'm not gonna waste space talking about PF play. Let's bring it to the moment.

You REALLY need to re-raise on this flop or fold. Are you beat or not? If you don't know and it's haunting you, fold, but I say re-raise it upsies to $10. Calling is weak here. You need to:

A.) Protect your hand.
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B.) Get some value.

If you feel that you were beat or your opponent was on a draw that hit, your fold is fine, but your donating on the flop and turn. I would think that you have your opponent dominated or tied here. Push hard.

Where I'll hark in on the PF talk is that you play very weak, so the last thing that you need to do is play marginal hand up in front. You play KQ UTG, flop top 2 pair with no str8 or flush on board, bet the pot, and just call a minimum raise? If you're gonna play so weak, don't play anything UTG but AA or KK because you'll you're not aggressive enough.
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