JKo Hand 1

the alex · #1 (**permalink**) 03-05-2005, 11:47 AM

http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?page=view&hand=39886

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Originally Posted by Announced Tilt

Pretty standard fold

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Originally Posted by JKoff

im not folding AQ pf and 4x is fine. i was looking for post flop advice

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

why ask for advice or comments and then reply like this???

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Originally Posted by JKoff

whats wrong with raising to $1 with AQo in EP? that covers like 4 quotes lol. i think AQ is good enough and im not going to change. i was just looking specific advice on the fold or how i played it.

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

because in $25 NL you are going to get callers and there hands will not be defined, they could have 56 offsuit at these tables. I gave you specific advice on the fold, IF YOU HAD PLAYED IT DIFFERENTLY YOU WOULDN"T HAVE BEEN MOVED OFF THE BEST HAND.

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Originally Posted by JKoff

when will their hands be defined by a pf call??? are they only calling with AQ+??? i dont want them calling with 56???

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Originally Posted by SCXpunk

this is party there's no need for reads. what's wrong with playin $25 NL lol it's a freakin gold mine. and he said a lot of it was wrong cuz it was lol

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

another genius

Steve-O · #2 (**permalink**) 03-05-2005, 12:02 PM

the first quote by me is for a different hand, here is my quote from the AQ hand

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I don't like the raise. either raise your typical amount or fold, your raises seem to vary. AQ you want 1 caller at the most raising to $1 is asking for trouble, too many hands could call that small of a raise even though it is 4X the blind.

the alex · #3 (**permalink**) 03-05-2005, 12:07 PM

Thanks, Steve. I forgot about the mix-up.

Marm · #4 (**permalink**) 03-05-2005, 01:01 PM

Hmmmm.... I gotta look at this by an EV point of view. I think 50/50 hes got AQ or a set. the PF action indicates either one. Obviously, unless hes a total dink, he doesnt have the straight. 50% of the time, we will chop the pot, so we get our investment back, plus some change. 50% of the time we get stacked, cause thats the only option if we continue to play this. There is a chance that he may have KQ, but I doubt it. I think it was a good fold.

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the alex · #5 (**permalink**) 03-05-2005, 01:42 PM

PF:
I hate your raise PF. The only reason to make this bet PF is:
1.) With deep stack
2.) KNOW that your table is tight and can isolate and QQ+ generally will re-raise
AND
3.) You are willing to bet the flop

Flop:
Without #2, #3 is impossible because you're betting into a lot of people. That being said, I like your bet. The C/R was for a good reason. This is an elementary fold. Villian didn't check with the intention of folding or calling, it was obviously with the intention of inducing a bet.

A.) Why does he want to induce a bet?
B.) Why is he so scared of not getting action with a bet?
C.) Why is he not concerned with protecting his hand?

The answer to all three of these questions is not because he has AQ. I don't like your read, Marm. He's got 7's or 9's in the hole. You're damn near drawing dead.

Marm · #6 (**permalink**) 03-05-2005, 02:18 PM

sorry missed the CR. Hes got a set then.

the alex · #7 (**permalink**) 03-06-2005, 12:16 PM

I almost missed it too, Marm, but when I read AT's "pretty standard fold" response, I looked at it again.