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09-20-2006, 10:42 AM
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I read the OP last night before going to bed, didn't understand what the hell he was asking then, and I don't understand it now.
Is this another one of those "I don't have the money to move, but I want to because people fold more there. No reason for me to believe that other than I can't afford it so they must be folding more" threads?
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GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
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09-20-2006, 10:53 AM
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Raise more, especially out of position. If you're raising a small amount because you're looking for action, don't be upset when you get the action you're looking for.
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Yeah probably serves me right. Had pocket kings and ako not so long before and everyone folded so was reluctant to bet big but you're right. I slow played it.
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09-20-2006, 11:32 AM
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I read the OP last night before going to bed, didn't understand what the hell he was asking then, and I don't understand it now.
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Whats the OP?
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If OP = original poster then  lol
and you should sleep more jeez i only posted a few hours ago
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Is this another one of those "I don't have the money to move, but I want to because people fold more there. No reason for me to believe that other than I can't afford it so they must be folding more" threads?
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lol... probably! i've not read many poker forums so may well me.
However, i've moved up through 10, 25 and 50c blinds and definately see less calling with rags as i go up. I've played little on the $1 but didn't see much flat calling with rags. So thats my personal experience.
I've also read a bit from the pro's and been told a lot, by players at the higher limits, that lower limit tables are rife with players calling with rags and less of it goes on at the higher limits... so i think thats reason enough to believe  its not just a blind assumption.
I don't want them nessacarily to fold more... Just not continually call with rags.
If it only costs you $1 to call even though its a big raise on a 10c table, at the end of the day its still only a buck so you're more likely to call even thought the odds arent there. You're more likely to fold if it was a $5 raise on a $1 table.
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09-20-2006, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jester
Whats the OP?
*edit*
If OP = original poster then  lol
and you should sleep more jeez i only posted a few hours ago
lol... probably! i've not read many poker forums so may well me.
However, i've moved up through 10, 25 and 50c blinds and definately see less calling with rags as i go up. I've played little on the $1 but didn't see much flat calling with rags. So thats my personal experience.
I've also read a bit from the pro's and been told a lot, by players at the higher limits, that lower limit tables are rife with players calling with rags and less of it goes on at the higher limits... so i think thats reason enough to believe  its not just a blind assumption.
I don't want them nessacarily to fold more... Just not continually call with rags.
If it only costs you $1 to call even though its a big raise on a 10c table, at the end of the day its still only a buck so you're more likely to call even thought the odds arent there. You're more likely to fold if it was a $5 raise on a $1 table.
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This morning I got up and grabbed the paper from the doorstep and read Marrioti...  lol
Anyway, so people are gonna K2 for a stick of gum to win an old movie, but not for a Coke to win a couple of new releases? This makes no sense on so many levels.
1.) The amount of money on the table means nothing. The value is only in realtion to the blinds and the person's BR.
2.) I'd guess that 95% of everyone playing online games under $400 sucks.
3.) If you can't beat bad players, you can't beat good players.
4.) If you can't manage a bankroll, you can't beat anyone because you'll go broke on every inevitable cold streak and you can't play without money.
5.) One of ActionJeff's UB names, NOIAGAP, says it best. NOIAGAP stands for "No One Is Actually Good At Poker" and this comes from someone who plays every tournament over $100 on the net.
6.) If you wanna play bigger games, go for it. Skill has nothing to do with how you play for. Whether you have the dough or not is all that matters. Sounds like you don't have the dough and people without the dough go broke no matter how good they are.
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GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
GodFadiR (12:32:48 AM): who doesnt wanna fuck me
WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus
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09-20-2006, 12:02 PM
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Do you have a constructive suggestion to go with all that?
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If you wanna play bigger games, go for it. Skill has nothing to do with how you play for. Whether you have the dough or not is all that matters. Sounds like you don't have the dough and people without the dough go broke no matter how good they are.
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If it's not skill then what is it?
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09-20-2006, 12:31 PM
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Just got nailed by k7s with my pocket A's
I raised 3xbb from the small blind pre flop.
BB calls everyone else folds
kh 5c 7s comes out i check hoping he'll bet as igood chance he's got a king but he checks too.
another rag (can't remember but no draws so i check again) on the turn, he checks
Qh on the river.
I bet $4
he raises to $7
I reraise to $23
He calls and wins with two pair
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Ok this is a prime example of where you are losing money.
A 3bb raise from SB to BB looking for action, this is OK because you want him to call with a hand like K7, which he does.
Now there are 3 cards on flop, you check (looking to check raise? - not too bad BUT giving free card)
A 4th card on turn - you Check again - should really bet here if not flop but give another free card.
River comes out. Now 5 cards on board.
You now bet $4 and he min raises. CALL!!!
You lose $7 post flop and are unlucky he hit 2 pair.
However when pushing all in - what is he really calling with that you beat? This costs you $16 unecessarily and is a big leak.
He may have KQ, 78, 67 or something depending on what other rag was maybe even a straight was possible. Remember 1 pair is not a strong hand when showndown to the river.
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09-20-2006, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by WotaWaster
Ok this is a prime example of where you are losing money.
A 3bb raise from SB to BB looking for action, this is OK because you want him to call with a hand like K7, which he does.
Now there are 3 cards on flop, you check (looking to check raise? - not too bad BUT giving free card)
A 4th card on turn - you Check again - should really bet here if not flop but give another free card.
River comes out. Now 5 cards on board.
You now bet $4 and he min raises. CALL!!!
You lose $7 post flop and are unlucky he hit 2 pair.
However when pushing all in - what is he really calling with that you beat? This costs you $16 unecessarily and is a big leak.
He may have KQ, 78, 67 or something depending on what other rag was maybe even a straight was possible. Remember 1 pair is not a strong hand when showndown to the river.
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not to sound critical but Wota is right here... .. Your play was flawed...you need to read quite a bit.. even when you're a winning player - you don't win that much.. but when you're a losing player - you can lose a lot...
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09-20-2006, 12:56 PM
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If you're raising 3x BB from the SB...then the BB only has to call 2 bets. If he knows you're tight...he's going to call looking to bust you on the flop.
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09-20-2006, 01:58 PM
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However when pushing all in - what is he really calling with that you beat? This costs you $16 unecessarily and is a big leak.
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I agree, this is the biggest mistake imo. The checks from the opponent with two pair are hard to read as strength. I'd expect a turn bet here.
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09-20-2006, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jester
Do you have a constructive suggestion to go with all that?
If it's not skill then what is it?
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MONEY!!!!
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WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus
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