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07-18-2006, 02:43 PM
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When to leave a table
I have just started playing NL $10 and decided I would always buy in for the maximum and I also decided I would leave if I got my stack above $15.
The reason I do this is because it helps to keep my confidece up if I regularly leave the tables showing a profit, obviously this means that I never really get my stack up above about $15 to $30 (if I tripple up), but conversly it also means I never lose a stack of $30 too.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Bad Beat of the week 27/08/2006:
:kh :jd
Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.
Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls
he flips over :4d :4s :eek:
River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:
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07-18-2006, 03:19 PM
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I think that if the game is good and the bad players still have chips there is no reason to leave just because you are up, in fact it is more of a reason to stay IMO.
I leave the table for several reasons.
1. The table has gotten tough.
2. I am tired of playing/bored
3. I am playing bad/tilting
If you are short-stacking then yes it is a good idea to leave when you double up, pretty sure if you are deep-stacking leaving a presumably good table when up is -EV.
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07-18-2006, 03:44 PM
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Stu Ungar
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leave only when things begin to turn against you...
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07-18-2006, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Phytopath
I think that if the game is good and the bad players still have chips there is no reason to leave just because you are up, in fact it is more of a reason to stay IMO.
I leave the table for several reasons.
1. The table has gotten tough.
2. I am tired of playing/bored
3. I am playing bad/tilting
If you are short-stacking then yes it is a good idea to leave when you double up, pretty sure if you are deep-stacking leaving a presumably good table when up is -EV.
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Agree.
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07-18-2006, 07:08 PM
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I used to do that when I played .50/$1 limit. I would buy in for $20 (I liked the round # versus buying in for $25) and if I got up to $30 or more, I'd usually cash out. If I thought I was playing with a bunch of real donkeys, I'd stick around. But if the table was a little tougher and I hit a good hand or two and made that $10+ profit, I'd leave. After awhile I started staying until I doubled up. But I'd leave after a $20 profit. It's probably a horrible idea but I went from $50 to $600 doing it.lol
I'll also add that it seemed that very very rarely would I ever make much more than the full double up. I might make $25-$30 profit but after taht I always seemed to slowy start loosing it a little at a time.
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07-18-2006, 07:31 PM
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ALong with all the good advice here, do a search on stop-losses and stop wins. These have been discussed many times over, and feel free to bring up any new points.
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07-19-2006, 03:33 AM
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River Rat
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Thanks Marm, I had a look back over some of those threads, very useful.
Everyone seems to think this is a bad idea but I still can't see why, I am not saying stop completely. I wait until I should be in the big blind leave the table and then buy back in, either at the same table or at a new table that meets my criteria. All I have effectively done is limited what I can loose.
I do this currently as I am new to cash games and would rather feel that if I happen to do something really stupid I haven't lost everything.
I currently have just over 1100 hands at NL $10 and am showing about 19bb/100 so I've had a good start but I'm always nervous of the inevitable down swing / idiotic moment.
If someone could explain why this is a bad idea (given my reasons for doing it) then I would love to hear them.
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Bad Beat of the week 27/08/2006:
:kh :jd
Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.
Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls
he flips over :4d :4s :eek:
River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:
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07-19-2006, 03:51 AM
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No Limit is about knowing the table - much more so than limit..
If you're clearing bonuses then SS and open up umpteen tables.. play the maths. SS is also useful on unknown tables (first 20 or so hands).
Generally you pay a small price for getting information in the early stages.. the odd fold... the opportunity missed for a CB.. The reason its worth paying this price is the information you get and the rep you acquire..
If you have Pokertracker going and you know most of the players and you like your position/table then deeper is better.
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07-19-2006, 04:04 AM
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Mike McDermott
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If you are used to playing shortstacked and not as good at playing deepstacked then this is a good idea in my opinion. There is nothing worse than building your stack from $10 to $30 then losing it all when having raised to $1 PF with AK you lose all your money to trips on a K high flop. I played this way for quite a long time. Now I feel more confident playing deepstacked beause I am capable of folding big hands.
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07-19-2006, 04:35 AM
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Stu Ungar
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Wota, under what circumstances will you lay down a big hand? Is it read-dependent, or is there a way to figure this out from PT overlays?
I found that on an innocent board without any flush or straight possible (Q73) I will almost always go broke with a hand like AA, when I get called on the flop and raised on the turn.
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