I usually leave once i double my buyin, this is good because most of the NL 10$ are the same standard so if you restart in another table standard dont change.

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I agree with DaFish. The problem I have is, say I have AK and hit the A or K, I cannot lay it down as I've seen so often people going mad with A-Rag or K-rag. There is no way to tell if they have made trips or if they are just over betting top pair crappy kicker.

Obviously if you end up with a flush board or straight board or even a paired board then it's easier to let it go but otherwise I'm going broke most of the time. Sometimes I'll calm down and just check call but usually I'll end up broke.

Is this something only an advanced player can spot or is it usual to go broke with these sort of hands?

That's why I like to take the little bit of profit aside and buy back in for the $10 so I only lose the $10 if that happens. Surely this is just sensible at my current level?

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Bad Beat of the week 27/08/2006:

:kh :jd

Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.

Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls

he flips over :4d :4s :eek:

River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:

NL is player dependent: AK is so hard to put down for most that its often worth calling against for implied odds IF you're in position.


The other thing is the early AK player who follows with a CB - if your last in to a raise - no other callers - just call with crap and call /cb and hit on turn on weak flop.

All these types of moves are player dependent... you need the info..

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Doberman: "but Sarge, isn't poker gambling and just luck?"
Sgt. Bilko:" not the way I play it"

so what are you trying to tell me deme? Is no limit player dependant or not?

I use poker office so it really doesn't matter if I leave a room and come back I still have the read on him that I would have had had I stayed in the room with my extra dollars.

What about against a new player, sits down and first hand goes up against you with the hand I described previously, do you assume their crap or assume they are good and wait till you have a read to go up against them?

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Bad Beat of the week 27/08/2006:

:kh :jd

Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.

Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls

he flips over :4d :4s :eek:

River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:

Of course NL is player dependant...sample size is too small if a player has just sat down imho. I've often laid down good hands to weiners that turn out to be massive passive aggressive players.IF they end up staying around long enough, it make it worth the laydown earlier in the night...

IMHO Phil Ivey said it best "When you've got the best of it, and you're at a weak table you have to be prepared to stay there until the end"...don't know why I put quotes, cause it's not exact, but you get the point. I think ToP explains the benefits of +/- EV on staying or leaving games...but personally I never would leave if I double up, poker's long term, and as such, one session will not determine whether you are ahead or not. Looking 1 day at a time to me really isn't a solution...

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I appreciate that if you are definitely a winning player and this has been proven over tens of thousands of hands then cashing out after doubling up would be silly. Surely tho if you are concerned that you are not a winning player at cash games then taking away some of the potential loss is a good idea?

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Bad Beat of the week 27/08/2006:

:kh :jd

Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.

Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls

he flips over :4d :4s :eek:

River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:

Play lower limits dude if you're not feeling conifdent after seeing the advice that is given here.

I think everyone here (or a majority) will promote buying in for max and staying if the game is good.

I would personally consider the follwing:
1) Have you identified the texture of the table?
2) How does your style jive with the rest of the table?
3) Figure out what your long term goals are, and what it's going to take to get there.

Honestly, what loss are you trying to prevent? If you are looking at your game as a nightly adventure, you're wasting your time...whether or not you have proven yourself to be a "winning player" or not to me seems irrelevent, so long as you know that it's -EV to walk away from a game without analyzing it's true texture ( as you may have a good opportunity to increase BB/hr)-or your ability to make more money at that session.

This question definately has more to it than just looking at whther or not it makes sense to get up at a table after making double your money...

My 2 cents...again...

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Leave when you feel it's time to leave.

I am currently playing at the lowest limits that Pacific allows, and am well within my roll (I love pacific so don't want to go to another site).

It's not that I am not confident, I feel like I probably am a winning player at these limits but as I have only just started playing cash games I want to make sure before I risk a large stack.

For example...

Say I buy in for $10, double up twice in a couple of hours play, I now have around $30 to $40. If I go up against another player with a similar stack and loose due to doing something daft then I have lost the whole $40, if I had cashed out at $20 and come back in then I have only lost $10 or $20 on that same daft play. I still learn the lesson but it doesn't cost as much.

Surely this is worth doing while I figure out if I can read the tables and basically feel my way in to cash games. Like I say i'm usually going back into the same table so I can continue to analyse the game and the various players, just with less risk.

Is this really not a good way to start off a cash game career? I'm not planning on sticking to it, just while I learn the game and learn how good at it I am.

I appreciate the input from you guys, keep it coming.

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Bad Beat of the week 27/08/2006:

:kh :jd

Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.

Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls

he flips over :4d :4s :eek:

River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:

My situtation is probably rare. I leave after a certain amount of time (usually 2 hours). Since I work from 9am-10pm, I set aside 2 hours to play. I really can't play any longer or else I don't get any good sleep and I drag ass at work. However, when I play live and don't have to work early the next day or don't have to work at all. I leave the table if:

1. when running good, the table breaks
2. when running good, the donks leave and I feel I am now even against the table (I usually find where the donks go!)
3. I am tired/unable to focus
4. when running bad, when i lose my buy in (if i have profit I usually stop when I lose it...bad idea I know)

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