I recently upped from $11 SnGs to $22 and have found them easier to beat as you seem to get less fish playing for a draw and hitting.

I was wondering if this is the same for ring games, I have played about 1000 hands on NL$10 and am returning about 5BB/100. I have the roll for higher stakes and was thinking of giving it a go to see if the same comes true.

Anyone found this?

Also is it wise to risk it if I'm only showing a return of 5BB on NL$10? Should I play more NL$10 to get my BB/100 up first?

If it's worth a go what sort of levels should I go for with a roll of about $1000

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:kh :jd

Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.

Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls

he flips over :4d :4s :eek:

River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:

Higher levels usually means higher competition, therefore harder to beat. That goes for Tourny and Ring.

People that say lower levels are harder to beat because of the fish jsut can't adapt to game conditions.

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I agree with that. Sometimes you have extremely good players at $1 buyin tourneys, other times you have only fish. It's totally unpredictable. At the higher buyins you'll know that maybe 1/3 or more are strong opponents, and the other 2/3 know some basics at least.

About the ring games I have about 3.5 BB now at 10c/25c after almost 5k hands. Got many bad beats in the last 1k though (set over set etc.), before I had >10 BB. So it seems to be a tedious, slow way of making money.

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play .25/.5 NL

i see no difference between NL10 - NL25 - NL50.

exept faster profit.

LoL...manguy, a man of wisdom.

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And talking about what's profitable...

People suck pretty equally in NL cash games from $10 up to $100 and on PartyPoker up to around $400. You'll find more aggressive games, but they're still generally weak and you can take flops, get cheap cards, and get paid off from idiots who can't lay down 2 cards that some book said was a monster hand.

I'd say to play 3 or 4 $25 tables as you can and seperate about $330 for SnG's. Just in case, you have a bad SnG run, you won't cripple yourself for cash games and vice versa.

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Hey alex, I'm attempting to make the switch from SnG's to ring (I KNOW there's more money to be had and I apparently just suck at SnG's. Funny, I'm not too bad at MTT's though - thank Harrington and Gordon for that one).

I'd say, in total, I've probably only logged about 1K hands in ring and did pretty well for such a small sample. Obviously, though, I was playing underrolled and just feeling it out so losing one BI hurt a lot.

Would you recommend deposting, say, $100 and playing micro-hold 'em (I'd pick up SSH as well as probably Sklasnky on hold 'em) or depositing $200-$250 and playing NL10 (I'd get the new NL Theory and Hold Em)?

I'd really like your input here as I really respect and admire your game. This may sound kinda gay and mancrushy but I'm striving to being able to play the limits you do at 23 (got 4 years to go) and being as good as you or TA.

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Marm and I talked about grinding here a bit. The people on this site who do well and have a lot of knowledge on the game THAT I'VE KNOWN THE LONGEST are primary examples of ginding- Beavis, Marm, and Steve. I don't think it's a coincidence that we've had the stablity to keep playing and discuss the game together and we all play extremely well within our roll. Due to "relative ripeness," they're good examples to younger guys to not be stupid.

The only time when I was "underrolled" was when I was playing $25 games with $200 in my account, but I was making a lot outside of poker and playing a lot of $20-$100 games around campuses with available cash. But I wouldn't recommend that because seeing your account go from $250 to $150 in a horrid day is just depressing and fucks up your game, psychologically.

If you can throw down $250 into an account, play the $10 games. They're ridiculously juicy. They can be swingy every once in a while, but even over 7 day spans- juicy. I'm a fan of the 25 BI rule up to $50 games. At that point, the money's pretty good that you choose to build at a great pace or build up to $2000 and just use it as a nice secondary source of income.

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So you suggest doing NL instead of Limit? I was interested in Limit as I could start grinding sooner and not having to put up as much money up front as I would starting at NL10.

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You're obviously used to NL, but if you wanna take the limit stab, Steve wrote a nice article on BR management for the site. Don't know if you've read it.

$250 and playing some micro .10/.20 or .25/.50 works. Whatever you're more comfortable with. Go with the .05/.10 if you're just not used to limit to get the feel. I say play whatever you're best at and if it's NL, play that and learn limit by playing that once of twice a week.

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