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06-23-2006, 12:40 AM
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River Rat
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Sensible targets?
What would be a sensible monthly target for playing NL cash games?
I had a go last night, I played the 0.05/0.10 game and ended about $7 up after a couple of hours, I have $300 in this poker account so I assume I am properly rolled to play this level?
Obviously I know that it totally depends on the run of cards etc, but say I was to play about 40 hours a month, on average what sort of return should I be looking to achieve?
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Bad Beat of the week 27/08/2006:
:kh :jd
Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.
Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls
he flips over :4d :4s :eek:
River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:
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06-23-2006, 01:04 AM
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Mike McDermott
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20 bucks a month if your good. 40 if you are very good.
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06-23-2006, 01:08 AM
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River Rat
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Seems a poor return for 40 hours work. How did you come to those figures? Did you just pluck them out of the sky?
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Bad Beat of the week 27/08/2006:
:kh :jd
Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.
Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls
he flips over :4d :4s :eek:
River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:
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06-23-2006, 01:24 AM
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Mike McDermott
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10 handed. ufll table = 1 hand a minute. 60 hands/hr. 2400 totals hands for 40 hours.
if your a good player, you make 10bb/every 100 hands.
if you are a pro, you make 20bb/100 hands.
keep dreaming.
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06-23-2006, 02:01 AM
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River Rat
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Originally Posted by gder03
keep dreaming.
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I hope that wasn't meant the way it could be taken, I'll assume not.
The only reason I said it seemed like a poor return is because I'm currently making $300 a month from SnG tourneys.
Using your maths I guess I would have to play $0.5/$1.00 tables to see a similar return to my SnGs. Does the quality improve at this level and what sort of Bank roll do you require?
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Bad Beat of the week 27/08/2006:
:kh :jd
Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.
Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls
he flips over :4d :4s :eek:
River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:
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06-23-2006, 02:31 AM
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Poker Professional
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try to help here.
If you play at 0.05/0.1 level the way to make money is to have about 10 (ten) tables open at the same time. Deep stack and wait for AA,KK,QQ and trips. FR.
In this manner you can "play" 600 hands an hour and will make about $10-$15/hour. Tribeca tables are good for this because the software is very fast and the play is soft.
If you can find a bonus on top of this (which clears at this level (rare)) you might put on another couple of dollars an hour.
To move up limits you start needing Pokertracker and you need to drop a few tables (well I do at least). This can take you up to about $25 an hour with bonuses.
SNGs are Ok but how many do you play at the same time? Is that $300 variance?
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06-23-2006, 03:16 AM
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River Rat
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Thanks Deme.
My $300 includes variance. I have had months where I made over $500 and others where I made less than $100. I think $300 is about my average.
The reason I am looking at cash tables is because I don't think I will ever be able to make more than the $300 in SnGs. I also find it very frustrating when like last night people catch runner-runner straights to knock you out of a SnG (see my sig), at least at a cash table you can keep going against that person and get your money back.
I already use Poker Office and find it very useful. It is currently at home keeping a watchful eye on potential opponents!
I don't usually multitable but I have been known to do up to 4 at a time, I think any more than that would be too much like hard work.
I think I might try 2 tables at $0.05/$0.10 and 2 at $0.10/$0.20, that way I guess my target for the month would be about $200.
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Bad Beat of the week 27/08/2006:
:kh :jd
Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.
Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls
he flips over :4d :4s :eek:
River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:
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06-23-2006, 08:33 PM
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NL20 Grinder...
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Originally Posted by xxdemexx
try to help here.
If you play at 0.05/0.1 level the way to make money is to have about 10 (ten) tables open at the same time. Deep stack and wait for AA,KK,QQ and trips. FR.
In this manner you can "play" 600 hands an hour and will make about $10-$15/hour. Tribeca tables are good for this because the software is very fast and the play is soft.
If you can find a bonus on top of this (which clears at this level (rare)) you might put on another couple of dollars an hour.
To move up limits you start needing Pokertracker and you need to drop a few tables (well I do at least). This can take you up to about $25 an hour with bonuses.
SNGs are Ok but how many do you play at the same time? Is that $300 variance?
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Now in this strategy, are you just going all in with those top hands, or seeing the flop and playing them normal?
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06-24-2006, 02:43 PM
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Mike McDermott
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how many sngs have you played
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06-25-2006, 01:00 AM
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Poker Professional
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deep stack to 50x bb. (much bigger than this and you tend not to get as many callers..
AA = try to get all-in preflop but massive bet any way
KK,QQ JJ big bet (were talking 1/3-1/2 stack preflop). If no over card lands then all-in otherwise stop betting - yes he DID call with A2 os!!! you must not pay off A rag holders..lower pps freeze up with an ace on the board so check dowsn (gets drawing hands mid pp ).
TT - how you feel between high and mid pairs.
Mid/low pairs limp in for trips. assuming cost to get in is <10x your stack and you're covered , there's one other limper (you want someone to hit).
AK becomes marginal at low limits because ppl will push with any PP which dominates you.. so fold..
Thie is of course 0.05/0.1 level - dont try this at higher limits...
The strategy works because ppl wont put down pps or strong drawing hands.
The times you are dominate (QQ v's AA) are outweighed by the guy who call with AJ.. (drawing hands are 4x more common than made hands)
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