I'm just wondering. Am about to pack limit in for good, as i dislike it completely, and don't see how at the low limits that anyone can make large sums of cash. So just wondering if people on here do?

Just seems from my experience that you can only win decent amounts of cash from NL and STT, but i'm not sure if that's because of the nature of the game, or just because i'm much better at nl than limit.

To me in limit (lowish stakes), you can play the game as perfectly as you like, but still lose to fish. This does happen in NL, but you tend to get less of this occurance due to the nature of the game, i.e you could lose all your chips on the hunt for a backdoor flush, rather than just 2 dollars. So the fish are more profitable to play against from what i have found in nl than in limit, where you will be up against 5 fish in every hand.

Just wondering what your thoughts on this are.

if you wanna get rich in 5 mins then your not gonna find it playing limit, and if there wasnt fish poker wouldnt be profitable except for the very best players

__________________
If there wern't luck involed i guess id win everyone

Ok i didn't explain myself very well.

I was really asking the more experienced poker players if good money can be made in limit (lowish stakes) in the long term.

From my experience which isn't that vast. What happens in limit is that you get all sorts calling you down to the river no matter what. Lots of people say that's a good thing, as they are really paying you off when they make bad calls and end up with a miracle winning hand.

The point is, than in my experience in limit, say in a 6max game, you can play properly and wait for your decent hands to turn up, then you can lose the vast majority of these, as you can only raise x amount. Thus i find you nearly always get 4 people going to the river(not always but the majority of the time), and you get sucked out. The times when you do win, when people make bad calls, don't compesnate for the amount of times you get beat by the most insane calls, as people are always calling.

In NL, you get fish, but usually as you make it costly, you might only get one nutter willing to call you down hopig for miracles. Thus the odds that you should win that hand x times is greater against this one fish than against 5 fish, and the pot larger, meaning that if you want to play proper poker, that NL the rewards are btter?

Not sure if you get what i mean????????

I know the feeling. .50/$1 limit was my bread and butter for a year on Party. Now I can't win to save my life. I lost $40 last night to a table full of donkeys and calling-stations. I got my aces cracked heads up against 7-2 when he hit his 2 pair on the river. No matter what I had it would get cracked. That last 4 times I've had aces they have been cracked by trash hands that I cannot get out of the hand no matter how agressive I am, pre and post flop. I'm really considering admiting that I've lost whatever skill I had for the limit game and moving on. I suck.lol

And it must be harder to make up for losses in lowish stakes limit if you do have a bad day, because of the nature of the game?

If you can't beat low limit hold' em you are not playing perfectly.

__________________
I find your response in this thread shallow, and pedantic...

your winnings are always going to be proportional to the limit you play.

At 1/2, you shouldn't expect to win more much more than $4 per 100 hands.

you are going to lose a little more to rake in % of the pot at the low limits, but hopefullly that is made up for by the badness of the players. However, if the tables are fairly tight, that may not be true.

I don't remember the stats from PT, but I think you close between 2-4bb/100 hands to the rake.

A good NL player will make a few bb/100 more than his Limit counterpart -but its hard to equate levels.

NL is just as much a grind as Limit. Ppl think of the big wins in NL but in fact these hardly count at higher limits - you have to chew away with constant pressure against the blinds.

Fundamentally fewer ppl/fish play NL. I swear that I personally killed off the Crypto 0.5/1 tables. Try finding one with a flop entry of much more 35% now.

A good mid stakes NL has one major problem...RAKE.

Limit, strange but true, has a higher variance.

Fundamental theory of winning poker states: If you cant beat the chasers - you'll never beat the folders - whatever game, whatever level.

__________________
See me playing $10/$20NL like it was play money

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...405&q=xxdemexx

Doberman: "but Sarge, isn't poker gambling and just luck?"
Sgt. Bilko:" not the way I play it"

Steve o, I can beat the low limit games, but i don't make great profits.

You are quite right actually, last night i was reading up on the winning big in low limits holdem, and i'm starting to realise that as you say, i'm actually not playing the perfect game(not by a long way it seems), i am not winning as much as i should be. So i'm going to study further.

Would still like to know if people do win good money from low limit though.

Would i also be correct in concluding that it's better to play 10 max tables in small stakes limit than 6max?

because more people call to the river making drawing hands more valuable, which you get more value pre flop, if more people enter the pot?