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05-15-2006, 09:26 PM
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Please Help My NL SS Game!!!!!!!!
Someone please help me understand how to play SS NL. I am playing at .10-.10 NL right now on Powerplayer. I have used the search feature but I dont feel like sorting through dozens of posts to find the answers. I want very direct answers to the questions I have. The only real experience I have with NL is tournament style. I have read HOH Vol 1 and 2. Otherwise I was totally a Limit player up until like a week ago. I had like $4 in my account, and I started playing NL. I worked it up to $24, then lost back down to $4, then tonight I got it back up to $18. I realize that I am underrolled but I dont really have a choice and the money is just sitting on there. I also realize that any evening where I run bad I could lose all of this in the blink of an eye.
First anyone who does well at SS NL please give me your top advice for winning.
1. What should I be buying into these rooms with? (.10-.10 NL)
2. What hand selection should I be looking at?
3. How do I maximize my winnings in this game?
4. What do you do when you have a semi-marginal hand (J10 suited) in a later position with like 5-6 limpers, and someone minimum raises? Is that an easy call?
5. It seems like people play kind of crazy in SS NL. There are so many limpers. What does it take to get people to fold semi-marginal hands? 3XBB? 4XBB? More?
Any advice you pros can give me would be greatly appreciated!!!
Thanks all!!!
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05-15-2006, 09:36 PM
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Check Raiser
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1. There was just a huge thread about deep vs short stack buy-ins, but since your bank is limited I'd go with the min buy-in.
2. These games are very loose, as such you should be playing very tight. Raise/Push with AQs+ and JJ+, limp in late position with any pocket pair (you hit a set or fold on the flop) and 10Js+ looking to hit a strong flop
3. Play very aggresive when you had a made hand or strong draw, you'll make tons just outkicking ppl (and lose alot when they pair thier kicker and you cant tell).
4. Depends if your call with end the action or if you expect a re-raise behind...
5. If you buying in shortstacked just push with your premium hands, ppl will call. As for a raise that will get ppl to lay down thier rags, it depends on the table just pay attention and notice what raise it will take to get ppl to fold. Alot of these players hate to limp and then fold to a raise.
Thats the generic answer I can give...
Personally I find playing just as loose as the fish but outplaying them after the flop is the best way to beat these games, but the varience gets kicked up a notch this way as well...
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05-15-2006, 09:39 PM
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play smart implied odds poker. if you can get in cheap, and people wont blow you out of the pot on the flop call with the JTs behind limpers. if people are making pot sized raised on the flop a lot, dump it.
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05-15-2006, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishodeath
1. There was just a huge thread about deep vs short stack buy-ins, but since your bank is limited I'd go with the min buy-in.
2. These games are very loose, as such you should be playing very tight. Raise/Push with AQs+ and JJ+, limp in late position with any pocket pair (you hit a set or fold on the flop) and 10Js+ looking to hit a strong flop
3. Play very aggresive when you had a made hand or strong draw, you'll make tons just outkicking ppl (and lose alot when they pair thier kicker and you cant tell).
4. Depends if your call with end the action or if you expect a re-raise behind...
5. If you buying in shortstacked just push with your premium hands, ppl will call. As for a raise that will get ppl to lay down thier rags, it depends on the table just pay attention and notice what raise it will take to get ppl to fold. Alot of these players hate to limp and then fold to a raise.
Thats the generic answer I can give...
Personally I find playing just as loose as the fish but outplaying them after the flop is the best way to beat these games, but the varience gets kicked up a notch this way as well...
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The minimum buyin is $1...Im supposed to buyin with that? The buyin amount is $1-$10. I have been buying in for $3 up until tonight, and then tonight I started buying in for $5.
Also, if I just push with my premium hands, 90% of the time everyone folds and I get only the blinds.
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05-15-2006, 11:41 PM
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Mike McDermott
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1. buy in max, if you wanna maximize profits @ expence of verience*
* depending on your style varience can be greatly reduced. to the point that "all your chips are NOT @ risk" w/ each hand you play
2. hand selection is based on;position, #of people in pot, table enviornment
3. difficult to say. I think weak tight, tight agg, and loose all have their strengths @ low tables. If your new to the game id go w/ tight. Don't over invest preflop (unless you hold AA-JJ). So if someone raises to 3.5bb, and you have AK just smooth call.
Flops; critical for making $. can't be taught effectively through vague guides imo. experience
4. I guess your playing ten handed. id say play drawing hands pf. but make sure at least 5+ ppl see the flop w/ you, (also you will always have position b/c your folding that crap PF from early po)
5. to thin out the field of limpers raise like this;
hard
learn to understand wether the situation is favorable or not.
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05-16-2006, 12:48 AM
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The keys to SS play:
1] Push very hard with AA ->TT (6bb(QQ,JJ,TT)-all-in(KK,AA) whatever the table will call) . If you hit mid pair on the flop then follow with all in - if you're not already there
2] All other moves are blind attacks late at 4bb. eg 2 off button. JT. first OR second in 4bb hope for fold. If you hit top pair then play it out - but keep the pot small - If you don't hit - DONT play it. You are assuming that ONE previous limper has pp. If you lead out after his check and he calls/ re-rerasies you can assume he's hit. so keep things small. Mid pp will often fold to a 4bb/5bb raise from late ( as they should mathematically to a short stack).
I often will put down a 4bb rasie with JJ/TT to a re-raise from a tight player...
This actually means folding hands like AK in early !! But playing AJ four off the button in mid.
SS is ALL about blind attacks.. and getting value for big pairs.. If somone hits the flush and you hit top pair then so what?.. they won't do it often enough to make it pay... If you keep the pot small post flop they won't get anywhare near the implied odds to make a call with Ax suited worth it..
Your not playing for drawing hands to higher hands - you're playing for top pair.... The exception is mid pairs late with multiple callers.. limp in for the set . Fold 22-55
So Big pair you want callers - blind attacks you want folders - but not enough to get excited on the turn and river..
Last edited by xxdemexx; 05-16-2006 at 01:06 AM.
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05-16-2006, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by xxdemexx
The keys to SS play:
1] Push very hard with AA ->TT (6bb(QQ,JJ,TT)-all-in(KK,AA) whatever the table will call) . If you hit mid pair on the flop then follow with all in - if you're not already there
2] All other moves are blind attacks late at 4bb. eg 2 off button. JT. first OR second in 4bb hope for fold. If you hit top pair then play it out - but keep the pot small - If you don't hit - DONT play it. You are assuming that ONE previous limper has pp. If you lead out after his check and he calls/ re-rerasies you can assume he's hit. so keep things small. Mid pp will often fold to a 4bb/5bb raise from late ( as they should mathematically to a short stack).
I often will put down a 4bb rasie with JJ/TT to a re-raise from a tight player...
This actually means folding hands like AK in early !! But playing AJ four off the button in mid.
SS is ALL about blind attacks.. and getting value for big pairs.. If somone hits the flush and you hit top pair then so what?.. they won't do it often enough to make it pay... If you keep the pot small post flop they won't get anywhare near the implied odds to make a call with Ax suited worth it..
Your not playing for drawing hands to higher hands - you're playing for top pair.... The exception is mid pairs late with multiple callers.. limp in for the set . Fold 22-55
So Big pair you want callers - blind attacks you want folders - but not enough to get excited on the turn and river..
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Thanks. This helps alot. Will keep you all updated with my results.
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05-17-2006, 12:23 AM
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Chaser
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play any pp, play all suited cards 9t and up , don't play kjo qjo.
I buyin with 35 BB's and depending on position and the number of limpers I raise up to 8x BB or push with AK, QQ, KK, AA. 10-20BB/100 is reasonable.
Playing SS at these limits is to gain fish image and thus get action.
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05-17-2006, 01:45 AM
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Mike McDermott
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Originally Posted by pocketje
play any pp, play all suited cards 9t and up , don't play kjo qjo.
I buyin with 35 BB's and depending on position and the number of limpers I raise up to 8x BB or push with AK, QQ, KK, AA. 10-20BB/100 is reasonable.
Playing SS at these limits is to gain fish image and thus get action.
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worst advice ever?? maybe.
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05-17-2006, 01:53 AM
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Check Raiser
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I think KRE8R needs to define what he means by SS - small stakes or short stack?
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