Not to mention flush or straight draws.

good post btw.

im getting value here.. i figure it's worth the call - turn 595 into 3k or watever.. and i would've done if i wasnt bluffed off an empty side pot

gder, I bow before you. I didn't bother to check your math. I just thought it was great to see a gder math pwnage post.

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im really confused how im not getting the pot odds to call 595 for a 3k pot with pocket 2s...

im probably about 15-20% to win and im calling 20% of the pot

Bluffing a dry side pot is considered bad form. But as already been pointed out, this wasn't a total bluff, and therefore can be called a value play.

If you don't every aspect of a hand analyzed, don't post. I would personally appreciate people pointing out gaping holes, like calling all-ins with 22, in my play.

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Actually, it isn't especially for the chip leader. It can be advantagous for a chip leader to keep a SS alive so he can keep stealing the blinds.

Pates.....listen and learn. The critiques are meant to help. If you don't need help then don't post. We can all learn for the critiques.

As far as you feeling like you are getting the odds..........Heads up and shortstacked, maybe I make the play looking for a race and a double up opp. Here you have to ask yourself what hands people would call with. The range of hands out there cripples your chances of winning here with 4 people in the pot. You also need to consider that there will be live stacks out there, and will have to make difficult post flop decisions against most any flop except for one that gives you a set.

I have never responded to you, but I have to say your posts show you to be a total maniac who has absolutely no chance of long term profitability. Don't take this defensively.

Lose the chip on your shoulder (instead of your chips on the table), and learn from the good people here. on PFO. Your game will benefit from it.

omfg READ GDERS POST!

Pates, this forum is great precisely because whatever is posted gets picked apart. It makes us all better players because we can't get away with anything.

It doesn't stop us from making dumb plays but I think being a member of this forum keeps us all a little bit more on the straight and narrow because there is a voice in our head saying "what would the PFO guys say about this". We may go ahead and do it anyway, but it's still there.

This is precisely because everything that is posted is interrogated, analysed, broken down and questioned. Someone may post a HH and ask about their river play and instead get 3 pages on what they did wrong on the flop. THIS IS A GOOD THING!!! If we all knew our mistakes then there would be no point asking questions to help us improve and sometimes the answer to question "How could I have played the river better?" is "Fold preflop".

I've posted a fair few HH on here and usually because I feel I've done something wrong and want others' views. On the rare occassion I've got a pretty much universal thumbs up, I've been suprised and a bit disappointed there wasn't someone to help me think about the hand in a different way.


If you know the answer you want to the questions you ask then I suggest you log on to your "brother's" account and type them in yourself, cause you are really missing the point of this site.

i want answers to teh questions i ask.. my play has nothing to do with this question, but thanks anyway